What is the law on downloading TV shows?

I think the reason companies like BT are putting policy's on their Broadband at the moment is because they want to Introduce IPTV, this will probably drive down people downloading TV shows illegally as you will most likely be able to watch what you want when you want.

The problem with all of these services though is that the quality of the recording is usually shocking (ironically closer to the pirate film adverts they show at the cinema than most pirate things). If things like this were the same quality as illegally downloadable TV shows and films there would be a lot larger uptake.
 
it's illegal and all but it does obviously need updating. as someone might have said, i pay the full license fee yet as i'm in an area that can't receive freeview i don't have access to the full gamut of bbc shows. the downside of downloading online is that if i were to download say heroes then it's probably an episode that has been recorded from a broadcast in america which obviously i have no right to watch. a real decent online service from the bbc where you could enter your tv license number and have the ability to stream/download their range of shows would be ideal for me. *obviously having the v+ box helps a lot but at my old house i was always annoyed as i couldn't get cable there were trees blocking sky and i wasn't in a freeview area, didn't even get channel 5.

M8 that is dam good idea about the tv licence number. And that V+ box... thats bt's stuff yes?
 
can you imagine the cost of implementing and administering such a system? Who would pay? And what would be gained by doing that?

well for one, people who pay the full tv license for not the full range of shows. would, for instance, have access to the full range of shows.
 
can you imagine the cost of implementing and administering such a system? Who would pay? And what would be gained by doing that?

what are the costs of implementing and administering things like bittorrents and binary newsgroups?

People are already getting what they want, when they want, for free. Surely it's possible to provide a low-cost legal alternative.
 
what are the costs of implementing and administering things like bittorrents and binary newsgroups?

People are already getting what they want, when they want, for free. Surely it's possible to provide a low-cost legal alternative.

maybe the cost would be in having to use the license as an access code or something. after all, they'd need to come up with a revolutionary new dea to somehow use a serial number as a key wouldn't they?
 
I think the reason companies like BT are putting policy's on their Broadband at the moment is because they want to Introduce IPTV, this will probably drive down people downloading TV shows illegally as you will most likely be able to watch what you want when you want.

I doubt that very much. ;)
 
The problem with all of these services though is that the quality of the recording is usually shocking (ironically closer to the pirate film adverts they show at the cinema than most pirate things). If things like this were the same quality as illegally downloadable TV shows and films there would be a lot larger uptake.

IPTV is meant to be of High Definition Quality due to the high amount of bandwidth we can stream through Broadband today. I can also see stuff like Wi-Max being used in some area's for this service if proven popular.
 
The way i see it if the programme is out in the USA 1st before it hits Uk tv land then i will download it because i see no problem in watching something early that i would have watched later and paid for i.e (tv licence or cable/sky), and i will continue to do so.
 
The way i see it if the programme is out in the USA 1st before it hits Uk tv land then i will download it because i see no problem in watching something early that i would have watched later and paid for i.e (tv licence or cable/sky), and i will continue to do so.


I feel exactly the same, however recently I've been taught a few flaws in my thinking.

1) How do you know 100% that the TV show is gonna be on UK? You don't.
2) Your TV licence goes to BBC shows, so something like Prison Break which is on CH5 is paid for by advertisers.


But I do agree with you as I do the same, because my own personal argument is:

1) 99% of these shows are shown free of charge in America on the networks website.
2) Even if it was shown on CH5, chances are I wouldn't watch the adverts anyway because I'd use them as a time to make a coffee or fast forward them if I recorded it.
3) Yep, I've paid for for TV licence.

And another thing I can't understand is this:

I hear a song on the radio, I like it. Now I have several options:

1) Buy it (as a single)
2) Download it illegally
3) Download the 'legal' podcast from the radio site and constantly play it.

So by doing number 3, I've not paid for it, but I'm able to listen to it when I want, how I want and where I want.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm probably far from it, but I haven't seen anything in black and white (and not by some smart ass telling me I'm wrong) to prove otherwise.
 
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I would be happy to watch TV shows on the TV if they were on at the same time/day all around the world, as I'm sure people would be as well.

Alas, the producers of these TV programmes aren't the sharpest tools in the box and choose to release shows days/weeks/months earlier in the USA and lose out in advertising revenue in countries such as the UK.
 
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One word: quality. Podcasts sound like you're listening through cans on a string.

True, but I'd be listening to a legally bought song, illegally downloaded song or inferior quality song on a pair of £6.99 speakers or £1.99 headphones on my phone!

Inferior or not, I've still got a song for free and as far as I know, I've acquired it legally.
 
well for one, people who pay the full tv license for not the full range of shows. would, for instance, have access to the full range of shows.

But people already can access a full range of shows using many other methods. So no gain there. And what do you do about people with no or limited internet?

what are the costs of implementing and administering things like bittorrents and binary newsgroups?

People are already getting what they want, when they want, for free. Surely it's possible to provide a low-cost legal alternative.


Sure, the low cost legal alternative, is exactly the same thing as we have now, except the authorities say, "Yes it's OK to download" That costs nothing.



Imagine the whole setup and design of the above license number system, databases, would need to be designed, implemented, think of the data storage for all these shows! The bandwidth bills?

And it would never be enough as people would want shows from years back etc.

Would it be policed? What happens if I give someone my license number to download stuff? Would anyone care? Why do I need to give my license number, why can't I 'just download'?

No doubt it would come out of my license fee - so in effect I'd be paying to make life harder and more inconvenient for myself? WHY WHY WHY



4OD and BBC Iplayer suck hard for so many reasons I shan't go into right now, not least of which is the lack of Linux support.
 
whitecrook there's no need for that. Every directive has to be integrated into UK law via a UK act - so there's no point looking at the copyright directive when you can just look at the CDPA (as I mentioned earlier).
 
What is the law on downloading TV shows?

dont ask dont tell policy.... same as the US policy on gays/lesbians in the army.
 
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