What overclock should I be running?

adapt · 27 Mar 2007 at 14:11

Im very confused now, I have overclocked my system so far and nice and happy but thought it would be easy to get 3ghz. So far I am stuck at 2.8 but I suspect its me doing something wrong. Its showing on cpuz as a conroe and the temps are nice and low at 40 degrees c. I am using 400x7 using 4-4-4-12 timings. But is this the issue, should I raise my timings to get a better clock if so why is this as I can't seem to find a good explaination.

My kit
Ds3 board
Duo 6300
artic freezer 7 pro
G.Skill 2GB DDR2 PK PC2-6400
8800 GTS

I have raised both the voltage on the memory and the cpu ram set at +3 cpu at 1.4

Psycho Sonny · 27 Mar 2007 at 14:24

400mhz is your rams rated speed, to go any higher you need to loosen timings try 5,5,5,15 that should get you to 500mhz and 500 x 7 is 3.5ghz

Psycho Sonny · 27 Mar 2007 at 14:25

dony jump straight in at 500 x 7 though work up in jumps of 10-15 fsb

UnusualSuspect · 27 Mar 2007 at 16:52

Psycho Sonny said:
400mhz is your rams rated speed, to go any higher you need to loosen timings try 5,5,5,15 that should get you to 500mhz and 500 x 7 is 3.5ghz

You know, thats something I didn't think of when doing my overclock. Is it possible for this to work the other way around? I have 800MHz Geil RAM 4-4-4-12 which was running at 760MHz when I had the overclock at 3.4GHz. Is it possible to lower those numbers to raise the speed, or will that simply cause errors? Like, change to 3-3-3-12 to get that missing 40Hz?

Psycho Sonny · 27 Mar 2007 at 17:10

UnusualSuspect said:
You know, thats something I didn't think of when doing my overclock. Is it possible for this to work the other way around? I have 800MHz Geil RAM 4-4-4-12 which was running at 760MHz when I had the overclock at 3.4GHz. Is it possible to lower those numbers to raise the speed, or will that simply cause errors? Like, change to 3-3-3-12 to get that missing 40Hz?

everything you have just said is completely wrong and by that i can now tell you that, you have no idea what so ever as to what you are doing, i suggest you read up on RAM, FSB, OVERCLOCKING, VOLTAGES, NORTHBRIDGES, etc, once you know what you are doing you shall be able to overclock better, seriously just now i wonder why your pc hasnt been fried

w3bbo · 27 Mar 2007 at 18:30

adapt said:
Im very confused now, I have overclocked my system so far and nice and happy but thought it would be easy to get 3ghz. So far I am stuck at 2.8 but I suspect its me doing something wrong. Its showing on cpuz as a conroe and the temps are nice and low at 40 degrees c. I am using 400x7 using 4-4-4-12 timings. But is this the issue, should I raise my timings to get a better clock if so why is this as I can't seem to find a good explaination.

My kit
Ds3 board
Duo 6300
artic freezer 7 pro
G.Skill 2GB DDR2 PK PC2-6400
8800 GTS

I have raised both the voltage on the memory and the cpu ram set at +3 cpu at 1.4

Your ram is 800mhz at stock speed (or should be) with 4-4-4-12 timings. Max 'recommended' vdimm is 2.1v for your ram. Try to overclock one thing at a time - first find your max FSB, then your max cpu overclock, then your memory. Once you have all 3 figures you need to find a good middle ground. Your problem atm is that you seem to be overclocking your cpu without knowing the other two figures or taking them out of the equation by use of dividers(memory).

UnusualSuspect · 27 Mar 2007 at 18:57

Psycho Sonny said:
everything you have just said is completely wrong and by that i can now tell you that, you have no idea what so ever as to what you are doing, i suggest you read up on RAM, FSB, OVERCLOCKING, VOLTAGES, NORTHBRIDGES, etc, once you know what you are doing you shall be able to overclock better, seriously just now i wonder why your pc hasnt been fried

Yeah, I'm new to this, but I'm happy overclocking the CPU.. haven't looked at the RAM side of things though. Whenever I make changes to the CPU speed I adjust the RAM so its at stock speed or lower. I agree, I have no idea how to push it over without causing any harm.. hence the question. Your answer wasn't exactly what I was looking for.

Psycho Sonny · 27 Mar 2007 at 19:43

UnusualSuspect said:
Yeah, I'm new to this, but I'm happy overclocking the CPU.. haven't looked at the RAM side of things though. Whenever I make changes to the CPU speed I adjust the RAM so its at stock speed or lower. I agree, I have no idea how to push it over without causing any harm.. hence the question. Your answer wasn't exactly what I was looking for.

nobody can tell you how to exactly overclock your system every cpu, motherboard and ram module is different, you need to learn by reading up on things, especcially the ram side of things, then you should be able to overclock otherwise try the timings i suggested and run the ram on a 1:1 divider, sorry but nobody can help you because since you have no clue what anything does its very likely it could fry your mobo or cpu or ram

adapt · 27 Mar 2007 at 19:52

Cheers guys so far you have been a great help and pushed me to read up on everything. So far @ 3.15 and still pushing

adapt · 27 Mar 2007 at 20:56

Ok settled for 480x7 = 3360

This was to allow for the motherboard strap which reading up on it is good at above 475. I hope im right!

Havent had to play with the volts at all either which is good. idle at 44-46 under stress tests runs up to 56-57

Psycho Sonny · 27 Mar 2007 at 23:21

you need to download orthos and stress test this, that overclock is untested and likely could corrupt all data on your hard drive, you need to run orthos for about 9 hours non stop, if you get errors then your overclock isnt stable, it could be down to 3 different things, cpu, ram or northbridge

UnusualSuspect · 27 Mar 2007 at 23:58

Psycho Sonny said:
nobody can tell you how to exactly overclock your system every cpu, motherboard and ram module is different, you need to learn by reading up on things, especcially the ram side of things, then you should be able to overclock otherwise try the timings i suggested and run the ram on a 1:1 divider, sorry but nobody can help you because since you have no clue what anything does its very likely it could fry your mobo or cpu or ram

Look, dude, I'm not some frickin' idiot who just throws a few voltage switches, pushes numbers up and down and hopes for the best. I do know how to overclock the CPU, I just don't understand the numbers associated with the RAM - which is why I kept the RAM at stock or under whenever I made changes to the CPU.

In my original question I asked if changing the numbers to something like 3-3-3-12 would add the missing Hz from the underclock. I just wanted to know if it would work, the numbers were made up. Of course I'm not going to go into the BIOS and set a bunch of numbers to values where I have no idea what they correspond too. Of course I'm going to read up before attempting anything.

Come down off your 'holier-than-thou' cloud and answer a few questions, instead of being insulting and superior. It might help.

adapt · 28 Mar 2007 at 12:39

Ok sp2004 failed last night on the overclock so you are right in saying it was indeed not stable. I have gone back to 460x7 to get just over the 3.2 clock. It is stable this time round but am I now in danger of running slower because of the motherboard strap? Sorry if im sound ignorant but im not pretending to know im still learning.

Justintime · 28 Mar 2007 at 12:59

UnusualSuspect said:
Look, dude, I'm not some frickin' idiot who just throws a few voltage switches, pushes numbers up and down and hopes for the best. I do know how to overclock the CPU, I just don't understand the numbers associated with the RAM - which is why I kept the RAM at stock or under whenever I made changes to the CPU.

In my original question I asked if changing the numbers to something like 3-3-3-12 would add the missing Hz from the underclock. I just wanted to know if it would work, the numbers were made up. Of course I'm not going to go into the BIOS and set a bunch of numbers to values where I have no idea what they correspond too. Of course I'm going to read up before attempting anything.

Come down off your 'holier-than-thou' cloud and answer a few questions, instead of being insulting and superior. It might help.

It might make up for the loss in MHz, but the RAM may not be able to run at those timings without a little bump in VDIMM if at all.

w3bbo · 28 Mar 2007 at 13:29

A cpu overclock will usually compensate for slacker memory timings/bandwidth. With most things, trial and error works best and no-one can give you a definitive answer unless they are using the same components you are - even then one set of sticks or a cpu will not always run the same as the next even if they are the same spec. Run a few benchmarks and find a good middle ground

. Good Luck

infernal · 28 Mar 2007 at 13:43

UnusualSuspect said:
Look, dude, I'm not some frickin' idiot who just throws a few voltage switches, pushes numbers up and down and hopes for the best. I do know how to overclock the CPU, I just don't understand the numbers associated with the RAM - which is why I kept the RAM at stock or under whenever I made changes to the CPU.

In my original question I asked if changing the numbers to something like 3-3-3-12 would add the missing Hz from the underclock. I just wanted to know if it would work, the numbers were made up. Of course I'm not going to go into the BIOS and set a bunch of numbers to values where I have no idea what they correspond too. Of course I'm going to read up before attempting anything.

Come down off your 'holier-than-thou' cloud and answer a few questions, instead of being insulting and superior. It might help.

good for sticking up for yourself dude

dont like when people slate other people for asking q's.

gz on the clocking so far

Russ.

Justintime · 28 Mar 2007 at 14:38

Yea i've noticed a superiority complex with many so called 'overclocking experts' i've been doing it for donkey years and tried every oc'in method there is but you still can learn things you never knew daily.

Psycho Sonny · 28 Mar 2007 at 19:03

UnusualSuspect said:
Look, dude, I'm not some frickin' idiot who just throws a few voltage switches, pushes numbers up and down and hopes for the best. I do know how to overclock the CPU, I just don't understand the numbers associated with the RAM - which is why I kept the RAM at stock or under whenever I made changes to the CPU.

In my original question I asked if changing the numbers to something like 3-3-3-12 would add the missing Hz from the underclock. I just wanted to know if it would work, the numbers were made up. Of course I'm not going to go into the BIOS and set a bunch of numbers to values where I have no idea what they correspond too. Of course I'm going to read up before attempting anything.

Come down off your 'holier-than-thou' cloud and answer a few questions, instead of being insulting and superior. It might help.

i was mearly trying to tell you to read up on the ram side of things because 800mhz 4-4-4-12 ram wil never ever run at 3-3-3-12 at 760mhz stable (maybe be able to run those timings at say 600-700mhz) but im just guessing as i have no knowledge of your ram, you did have very little knowledge on the subject, go to your rams official website and look on their forums you will find out what sort of similar timings and clocks people have gotten from the same ram , but this does not gaurantee yours will do the same as i said before every ram module is different.

Darren1987 · 28 Mar 2007 at 19:07

oh noeZ

Justintime · 28 Mar 2007 at 19:15

Psycho Sonny said:
also just to let you know having 2 different accounts to tthis forum is against the rules and people have been banned for having 2 seperate accounts, i am assumin that you are the same person who started this thread, if not then you can correct me.

Don't think he his, he just replied to you because you quoted him in your reply.