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What sort of PM will Boris be?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by rIcK, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. a1ex2001

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    He has taken a huge lurch to the right since standing down as mayor when as you say he did a reasonable job. Demonstrating perfectly his lack of real belief in anything beyond himself!
     
  2. a1ex2001

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    She could have had success if she had started out with a blank sheet and worked cross party. Instead after loosing her majority she drew up a load of crazy red lines to appeal to the right of her party and in doing so trapped herself and her successor in this no win situation.
     
  3. BowdonUK

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    I agree with you about his lurch to the right. Unfortunately I think the Tories need to become Brexit party mark II in order to have a chance of winning the election. Luckily for them Labour aren't the best opposition at the moment, and their big fight would be taking the Scottish seats back to have a chance of winning the election.
     
  4. BowdonUK

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    The 2 crazy decisions she made was call the last general election when she didnt need to (which reduced her majority), and during that election started promoting a policy attacking the pensioners which are the Tories biggest voting block. A conspiracy mind might think she was trying to sabotage her own election and pass the buck to Labour to deal with the Brexit fall out. It seems whoever picked up the Brexit poisoned chalice was going to have problems.
     
  5. VincentHanna

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    At the time the polls were saying she would get a huge majority.

    It's interesting that Corbyn did rather well when General election rules are in effect (e.g the papers suddenly can't just print lies to sway voters)

    Little did they realise that under scrutiny May appeared to be a charisma vacuum and that the Tory party manifesto was a complete joke and if they carried it out, was going to take a lot of money from their core supporters
     
  6. do_ron_ron

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    Not good then as the latest polls show that the SNP will take back most of the seats they lost to the Tories according to Prof Curtice.
     
  7. BowdonUK

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    I'm not surprised. I think the SNP took a hit because of Brexit. But with Labour's lack of leadership on Brexit its left the opening for the SNP and Lib Dem's. I think even if people don't like those parties they can at least respect that they have a fixed position. Corbyn as got to be the worst leader. Labour are slowly growing two factions inside their party, one led by Tom Watson pushing for a referendum, then on the other side these 26+ MP's that would vote for no deal if that happens, and then Corbyn in the middle hoping for a general election.

    So the Tories still have a real chance of getting in, not because they are good. But because the opposition is so disorganised. The left wing vote is split by Labour, Lib Dem, SNP and Plaid Cymru. The vote split on the right is split between the Conservatives and Brexit Party. Ironically the BP could be the ones to take the Tories out of office if they end up competing during a general election.
     
  8. JeditOjanen

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    Actually the convention is that the Speaker votes for the status quo. If a bill is in discussion then he will vote Aye so that discussion continues. If it is on final vote to be passed into law, however, he will vote Nay because status quo is the existing laws. He will also always vote Nay on an amendment to a bill.
     
  9. StriderX

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    Why are you blaming labour when it's the Tories that have the most seats in Scotland besides the SNP? It's precisely because the Tories lack of leadership and awful MP's that they're being destroyed. The recent party poll will have amplified people's distaste.

    I mean Labour should really be taking those seats, yes and that's the same lack of leadership (and frankly similarly useless MP's), but the loser here is definitely the Tories. If only because the SNP will never work with the WM Tory party (even if it occasionally does in Holyrood).

    You're also forgetting that the Lib Dems aren't Left wing, moderate Tories will likely vote for them and will in places like South West/London.
     
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  10. Greebo

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    to be fair its rising in all the major uk cities, not just London. So the problem appears to be more of a UK issue than just London mayor;'s fault
     
  11. englishpremier

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    Being PM even for a brief time sets up up for life.

    There's the book deal, the dinners/speeches, board seats, consultancy etc.. Easily worth around £5-10m
     
  12. do_ron_ron

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    The Tories got MPs in Scotland because of the lies about fishing and the EU. The truth has come out and also the disastrous Tory governance will reverse those seats. Labour has started to lose in Scotland well before Corbyn, if anything there is a small surge in support for Labour. They are hampered by their leader in Scotland not having an independent voice and being rather poor.
    The Tories may get in but that will be purely down to England rather than the UK wide votes. It is not the left wing vote being split between the other parties as the anti Tory vote.
     
  13. StriderX

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    Nah that surge is dead, he's -50 (was -65 last month so i guess that's cool) opinion now, behind even Johnson. They're both losing out to the Libs and BP for the more frothy among the Unionists at all cost types.

    Johnson is currently -37, Hunt would be -23 and for Vince (though irrelevant really) -6.

    Scotland specifically, Sturgeon is neutral, Davidson is -1 (from a high of +31 a year ago...) and the Scottish labour leader who no one cares about is -31.

    For reference Farage is actually -23 along with Hunt.
     
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  14. RedvGreen

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    Speakers usually aligns with the incumbent PM/Gov.
     
  15. mid_gen

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    I'm hoping that his blustery head-bobbing and gesticulating to avoid answering questions will eventually lead to his head falling off in the middle of PMQs.
     
  16. Tony Edwards

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    Head bobbing is Hunts special power I thought.
     
  17. terley

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    He will take us to 31st of October and will face a vote of no confidence

    A general election will be triggered

    Boris will run on delivering a much stronger brexit, without or without a deal giving him executive power to pass no deal without interferance

    Nigel farage will run on a similar premise

    The conservative vote will be split between brexit and conservative

    Labour will yet again not state either way

    Lib dem will state pro-remain stance saying they will cancel brexit

    Labour will win with a hung parliment because of the canibalised votes

    They will need to make an alliance with a party to ensure a majority, at this point i can't predict which way corbyn will take things.. He is eurosceptic but it is evident that more than 50% of labour voters are remainers..

    At least thats how i see it right now, If we want real brexit then we need boris and nigel to join, this can only happen if they are on the same page come the inevitable general election.
     
  18. Jokester

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  19. StriderX

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    Ah man you've taken the bait.

    A GE is not automatically triggered in VONC, only if after two weeks a different government cannot be formed. The EU simply wont allow any more time either, so this is the last chance to end no deal for MP's of that inclination. Expecting a big kerfuffle.
     
  20. Jokester

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    There's nothing wrong with holding a man up to a higher standard than he's displaying, particularly one who is trying to persuade people he is suitable for the highest position of government.