What type of fuel in the future

[TW]Fox;21560731 said:
Thats right, niche.

Hardly anyone makes 800 mile trips by car. It's exceptionally rare as a proportion of total journeys made.
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I don't think people are understanding the point I am trying to make. Right now, sat on the drive, I have a vehicle with effectivley unlimited range that can be on the road 24 hours a day. I can jump in it at anytime, and drive as far as I need to with minimal down time. Current EV's have limitations on them that put people off. Right now, I can go hybrid but I couldn't go fully EV.

Same when I used to drive HGV's. I would do a 12 hour shift, come back to the yard, couple of minutes to fill the tanks, then the next driver goes off and does his shift. Vehicle needs to be on the road 24 hours a day to pay for its self. For a lot of people and industries, time is an expense just as fuel and wages are.
 
rpmmatt said:
I don't think people are understanding the point I am trying to make. Right now, sat on the drive, I have a vehicle with effectivley unlimited range that can be on the road 24 hours a day. I can jump in it at anytime, and drive as far as I need to with minimal down time. Current EV's have limitations on them that put people off. Right now, I can go hybrid but I couldn't go fully EV.

Same when I used to drive HGV's. I would do a 12 hour shift, come back to the yard, couple of minutes to fill the tanks, then the next driver goes off and does his shift. Vehicle needs to be on the road 24 hours a day to pay for its self. For a lot of people and industries, time is an expense just as fuel and wages are.
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Are you an emergency organ delivery driver then?

Best stop all R&D until we make you a 800mile EV that actually fits on your drive.
 
rpmmatt said:
I don't think people are understanding the point I am trying to make. Right now, sat on the drive, I have a vehicle with effectivley unlimited range that can be on the road 24 hours a day. I can jump in it at anytime, and drive as far as I need to with minimal down time.
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Great.

Most people don't need that.
 
rpmmatt said:
I don't think people are understanding the point I am trying to make. Right now, sat on the drive, I have a vehicle with effectivley unlimited range that can be on the road 24 hours a day. I can jump in it at anytime, and drive as far as I need to with minimal down time. Current EV's have limitations on them that put people off. Right now, I can go hybrid but I couldn't go fully EV.

Same when I used to drive HGV's. I would do a 12 hour shift, come back to the yard, couple of minutes to fill the tanks, then the next driver goes off and does his shift. Vehicle needs to be on the road 24 hours a day to pay for its self. For a lot of people and industries, time is an expense just as fuel and wages are.
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I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make.

This thread is about what is going to happen in the future, not what is on the market today.
 
Just trying to point out the biggest obstacle to large scale adoption of EV's current or future is charge time. For a lot of people charging overnight will not be possible unless every space in the UK has a power point fitted to it. Think on street parking, carparks for blocks of flats, not every street even has defined parking spaces, people just park whereever they can sometimes not next to their front door.

I think this is a bigger obstacle than people realise. As right now you can go to a single place(filling station) to get your "range". You either use it all at once or make it last a couple of weeks, then you repeat.

An EV works differently. Say a minimum of 1 power point per 5 cars?(not everyone uses cars the same time) How much would this cost to put in? Or they improve charge times to fit the exiting pattern of car use, ie. go to charge station once a week or as needed.
I'm not saying it can't be done, I just dont think people imagine whats its like if we needed sockets for 30 million cars.
 
I think, you'll find people have thought about this, again your talking abou a problem that doesn't exist yet and is even being working on, it's not a technical issue, it's a finance issue to get them installed. There's loads of schemes to install chargining points.
 
What does it matter what I currently drive? How is that tied in any way to what I might have in the future?

If you're in one of those moods again Fox, can you just say so I can bail now rather than spend pages trying to explain a point you're never going to get (intentionally or otherwise).
 
Tute said:
What does it matter what I currently drive? How is that tied in any way to what I might have in the future?
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Ok let's say in the future you have a lovely open top petrol V6 sports car. The point is, what's the problem with a quiet car for a commute and a noisy thrashy one for a weekend hoon?

Personally I'd love to commute in blissful silence, and that applies to both petrol and diesel.
 
I'd just get one petrol car to use all week?

I appreciate why people have a weekend car but it doesn't do anything for me at all. I'd rather just buy something that I can always enjoy. :)
 
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