When are you going fully electric?

are Tesla still manufacturing V3 chargers then? I guess I had assumed the V3 still being installed were old stock and going forward once they ran out they would all be V4.... however it would appear I am wrong as it's been a while since V4 chargers hit the market.
 
I assume this is the Starbucks one in Kingstown
Pretty sure that’s an ‘EV On The Move’ location, Tesla hardware but not a Tesla site, they are opened/operated by Euro Garages.

Tesla handles the back end so plug and charge still works but they are not on the Tesla nav and EG sets the pricing (65p IIRC).

On a separate note, the rebrand to ‘EV On The Move’ from ‘EV Point’ is really odd. I can only assume either Pod Point or Genie Point asked them to politely jog on.

EV Point sort of makes sense from a branding point of view. EV On The Move it’s a bit of a mouth full and well it’s just too long. I’m not sure why they didn’t just call the network any of the following which makes way more sense:
EG
EG Electric
EG Power
EG Charge
EG Ultra Power

Etc etc.
 
Harry has another intriguing EV video out. The topic is laced with questionable arguments, and reading the comments, its clear who his target audience is. He's either on the payroll for a lobby group or has gone full grandad mode and is stuck in the past.

 
The last time I watched one of his EV's are bad video's his arguments were not necessarily wrong but it heavily skewed by some very edge of edge cases such as needing to tow a huge trailer around the country without stopping regularly. Infrastructure needs to be better to enable this but its not that bad.

While I get that could be annoying with the current crop of EV's (I tow a caravan behind mine so I have actual real world experience), it represents a tiny fraction of real world journeys. EV's are not win, win win, they are really win (day to day driving experience), win (emissions/air quality), loss (flexibility) but for me for me the long term benefits are well worth the compromises.
 
Harry has another intriguing EV video out. The topic is laced with questionable arguments, and reading the comments, its clear who his target audience is. He's either on the payroll for a lobby group or has gone full grandad mode and is stuck in the past.

He is definitely getting a kick back from someone. If it is anything like this last one, it undermines all of his intelligence.
 
Harry has another intriguing EV video out. The topic is laced with questionable arguments, and reading the comments, its clear who his target audience is. He's either on the payroll for a lobby group or has gone full grandad mode and is stuck in the past.


Ok, watched the video... and I wasn't disappointed by your portrayal. The video is all about why the government should abandon the EV mandate but doesn't really give any arguments as to why other than they are behind on sales. He says the EU version is better but in reality the only way to meet it in the long term is to sell a shed load of EV's.


A few specific comments:

Stripping out Tesla from the stats is disingenuous, presumably if those buyers didn't buy a Tesla, the vast majority would have bought something else electric - I know I would have.

Depreciation argument was fine, no issues with that. 10 year battery life myth perpetuated - complete nonsense.

He seems to have a bit of a thing for plug in hybrids (inc. range extenders) but then destroys his own argument by quickly mentioning you need to plug them in to make them work, if a PHEV works for you (used as intended), a fully electric is likely to as well. He says the testing regime needs to change significantly - his right because it produces silly numbers for PHEV's which just don't reflect reality on the emissions which undermines his argument about the EU system being 'better'.

As for eFuels and sustainable fuels, he hypes them up 'look motorsports are using these, they must be good' quickly glosses over the £lol cost (£4.50/litre) that makes a new EV look like a bargain and grossly glosses over the challenges in making it a scale that would serve my local Tesco filling station let alone a material part of the fuel market for road transport.

I sort of agree with his point about incentives but also not really. They are too heavily weighted to businesses and really you need to be targeting 'people' who drive them not the companies who own them.

As for the engineers vs politicians argument, that's cringe... lets check who those engineers will be working for, ah yes they businesses who's objectives are chasing profit, not the right thing to do. Politicians don't get it right, we know that but I'd argue that when it comes to the 'greater good' they have a fa far better track record than capitalism.
 
He's either on the payroll for a lobby group or has gone full grandad mode and is stuck in the past.

He's trying hard to look normal, and pretending he isn't used to driving stupidly expensive cars that the vast majority of people would never own, whilst pushing his own narrow view point.

What he is failing to realise is that BEV's are going to be a huge part of the future make up of the renewable grid/support, and home storage for people, not just something that takes you from A to B to C.

He's also banging on about charging costs (again), like public prices won't ever go down, and quotes the highest possible prices, a bit like the AA/RAC do for fuel costs. Then goes to use Toyota as an example of why BEV's won't succeed, when they are going to become the next Kodak in the UK/EU, while the Chinese eat their lunch.

You are right he's a full on grandad, living firmly in the past.
 
Yeah hard to sympathise when he’s making one of his quarterly road trips to Europe more difficult than it’s in a fuel car… none of his audience have that problem. Pretty much no one else drives the sort of usage he does, and then when he does it’s in a press car anyway! See defender 130 review for case in point.
 
Sounds a bit out of touch then, but on the other hand is anyone apart from a terminally online hardcore car nerd going to watch a 22 minute long video by a granddad and be swayed by anything he says?

edit: Presumably generating froth and controversy drives clicks so the best thing is just to ignore and not watch. Youtube doesn't care if you watch because you agree or watch because you vehemently disagree they still make money...
 
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He has tried these things and that is his opinion based on experience, it not wrong, just different to some of you on here as the EV experience is very much personal to where you are and what you do.

Personally if I was a manufacturer facing charges for not hitting targets, I’d just pull out of the market, particularly the right hand drive UK market, I mean, why even bother, loads of jobs losses and general upheaval but won’t be their fault, Or just add the charger to the list price of every vehicle
 
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I'm in a bit of a quandary at the moment, my BMW was stolen a few months ago and just got the payout from the insurance company. I've been umming and uhhing about what car to get next. I had a hybrid Volvo XC60 as a courtesy car, I charged it up once while at my parents and genuinely the amount I would save on petrol is very good. I don't do much mileage, maybe about 7k a year and almost all of that is short journeys (up to 15 miles).

I was set on the Skoda Karoq, a smallish SUV would have been ideal for me, but I'm leaning towards the Kodiaq even though it's huge. It's a better car overall.
That would raise my budget to around £30k which I think at that point I might as well get a second hand Kia Niro 4 or Hyundai Ioniq 5! Are there many issues in getting a second hand EV or is it very similar to buying a normal ICE car?
 
i have bought 2 2nd hand EVs in the last 2 years........ i blame @Deep when it goes horribly wrong tomorrow however so far both purchases have been fine.

my ipace had 1st MOT and a service last december, it passed with only advisories being tyres to monitor (being replaced this Friday) and our i3 was MOTed and serviced Friday just gone and it passed with advisories on 2 rear tyres to monitor and it needs a new 12v battery (which will hopefully fix the only issue i have had so far, a couple of failed charges on the bmw i3)

my experience has been the same as with any car... albeit cheaper running costs (but yes... painful depreciation, but hopefully now i think is a great time to be an EV buyer 2nd hand)
 
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I'm in a bit of a quandary at the moment, my BMW was stolen a few months ago and just got the payout from the insurance company. I've been umming and uhhing about what car to get next. I had a hybrid Volvo XC60 as a courtesy car, I charged it up once while at my parents and genuinely the amount I would save on petrol is very good. I don't do much mileage, maybe about 7k a year and almost all of that is short journeys (up to 15 miles).

I was set on the Skoda Karoq, a smallish SUV would have been ideal for me, but I'm leaning towards the Kodiaq even though it's huge. It's a better car overall.
That would raise my budget to around £30k which I think at that point I might as well get a second hand Kia Niro 4 or Hyundai Ioniq 5! Are there many issues in getting a second hand EV or is it very similar to buying a normal ICE car?

If you don’t need a SUV look at the like likes of a VAG based PHEV, Passat, superb or Octavia.
 
You have a JLR product Mike…….its inevitable
well getting on for 18 months down its been fine so far.

however it is true.... this is the 1st car i have actually chosen to get an extended approved warranty just in case ;)

(or did you mean the depreciation? in which case that is where being a savvy buyer comes in. i really think some of these really expensive when new EVs 3-5 years old are in the proper good bang for your buck area now.......... christ, i could almost even afford an audi Etron GT now which i didnt see happening (am not getting one... the mrs would kill me!)

mileage wise i do about 8k miles per year in mine, the wife maybe 9k in hers...... i would not entertain an EV without one of either home charging or reliable affordable work charging. Some make it work for them regardless, but it isnt something i would do.
 
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I'm in a bit of a quandary at the moment, my BMW was stolen a few months ago and just got the payout from the insurance company. I've been umming and uhhing about what car to get next. I had a hybrid Volvo XC60 as a courtesy car, I charged it up once while at my parents and genuinely the amount I would save on petrol is very good. I don't do much mileage, maybe about 7k a year and almost all of that is short journeys (up to 15 miles).

I was set on the Skoda Karoq, a smallish SUV would have been ideal for me, but I'm leaning towards the Kodiaq even though it's huge. It's a better car overall.
That would raise my budget to around £30k which I think at that point I might as well get a second hand Kia Niro 4 or Hyundai Ioniq 5! Are there many issues in getting a second hand EV or is it very similar to buying a normal ICE car?

You give no information if you are single, family of 5 or go mountain biking every weekend. Do you do one massive trip a year, or lots of tiny journeys. It would be impossible to give you much advice.

For me a home charger is essential for an EV, and longer trips might require a bit more planning. Hard to advise unless we know how you intend using it.
 
There are some risks with EVs. Its new technology after all. We are a two car family I think going forward we will always have one EV. Not sure about the second car. At the moment our 2nd is a manual ICE I'm hoping the kids will learn to drive on..
 
I'm in a bit of a quandary at the moment, my BMW was stolen a few months ago and just got the payout from the insurance company. I've been umming and uhhing about what car to get next. I had a hybrid Volvo XC60 as a courtesy car, I charged it up once while at my parents and genuinely the amount I would save on petrol is very good. I don't do much mileage, maybe about 7k a year and almost all of that is short journeys (up to 15 miles).

I was set on the Skoda Karoq, a smallish SUV would have been ideal for me, but I'm leaning towards the Kodiaq even though it's huge. It's a better car overall.
That would raise my budget to around £30k which I think at that point I might as well get a second hand Kia Niro 4 or Hyundai Ioniq 5! Are there many issues in getting a second hand EV or is it very similar to buying a normal ICE car?
The Ioniq 5 is surprisingly spacious and great value at the moment. They have good warranties too so it's very similar to buying an ICE car, only much older EVs would you worry about battery health etc. but a 1-2 year old Ioniq 5 would be worry free motoring for a good few years
 
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