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When are you going fully electric?

Discussion in 'Motors' started by Ricochet J, 23 Aug 2018.

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  1. GR63

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    Answer to OP - when electric cars have 300+ mile ranges AND solid state batteries that dont die after 5 years or whatever and appear in 2nd hand market.. ie. some way off from now ;)
     
  2. blun

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    This is now.. except it will take about 3 more years until they are available as 5 year sold 2nd hand.

    Not sure why this myth of batteries needing replacing is still going around. In the rare situation where a battery was faulty and did need replacing then it'd be replaced free of charge under the 8 year warranty.
     
  3. blun

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    This always happens to 'someone people know' but never sure who...
    Surely if there is a charging fault that the dealer can't fix, they supply you a new vehicle under warranty. Doubt you'd ever know what happened to the old one.
     
  4. Jonnycoupe

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    It’s Nasher, knows everything.. or Atleast some bloke down the pub.
     
  5. b0rn2sk8

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    FTFY, (I know you were just being polite :D)
     
  6. jpaul

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    yes and no - have battery resilience tests now been extended to confirm there is no throttling back (a la apple) going into the software to reduce the stress put onto ageing batteries ?
    if my 400Nm car has downrated to 250Nm as a 2nd hand owner, I might be non-plussed - manufacturers have done machiavellic things before now.
     
  7. The_Baron

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    It would give some piece of mind if one could charge ones car from another electric vehicle. Ie could get wife to connect here up to mine if running low in order to get mine home. Anyone think this would be a nice feature?
     
  8. blun

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    Ask and your wish is granted!

    Some new EVs can charge another car (or power other electrical items, even a house).

    Hopefully this will become a standard feature.
     
  9. jpaul

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  10. Journey

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    V2H and V2G are going to become hugely important for the future of electrification of households, and businesses. They just need to pull their finger out and get a CCS standard approved before the predicted 2025 date, the CHAdeMO standard is way ahead for these uses but sadly hasn't had global acceptance, and is unlikely to which is annoying.
     
  11. Jonnycoupe

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    It’s V2L (Vehicle to Load) and the Hyundai E-GMP on the Ioniq 5 is a output of 3.6kW which is loads for backup loads, microwave when camping etc. In terms of charging another car... pretty low number situations where that charge speed will help. I think the F150 is higher now ~10kW and the Rivian.
     
  12. nam

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    Q4 E-tron , better than ID4 and Enyaq ?
     
  13. Nasher

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    Well that is what happened. So...
     
  14. Jonnycoupe

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    Another lemon in car industry. Nothing me. Nothing unique between ICE and BEV. Manufacturers have been doing buy backs for decades
     
  15. niko

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    thats a new one on me, taking a microwave camping:p. i think i wouldn't want to run down a car's battery's unless like in a campervan you had a split charge separate leisure battery
     
  16. Journey

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    You've got 70+ kWh of battery to use, sure there is plenty to run an appliance for a good while.
     
  17. b0rn2sk8

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    The main issue with V2L is that there just isn’t a standard you can use to hook it up to your house and the grid. Anything coming to market now probably will not work with what ever that standard ends up being later down the line.

    Having a decent AC inverter in the car is pretty handy though but I don’t expect many will actually use it or spec it on the ionic 5.
     
  18. Jonnycoupe

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    That’s V2G though. Don’t confuse the two :) exporting power back to the national grid is quite a different system!
     
  19. blun

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    There’s no reduction in performance (i.e horsepower) as the car ages.

    A battery pack has a capacity and a usable capacity. As the pack ages some of that slack is generally used to maintain its full capacity. This tends to flatten out over a few years use. So you may start with 300 miles range then when the car is 10 years old it may have 280 miles range with the original battery pack.


    This was a particular Tesla Model S battery type that had some issues, so Tesla limited the supercharging speed to protect it (arguably to avoid having to replace batteries for customers). Not a good thing to do and they will probably have to pay for it.
     
  20. GR63

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    What? Solid state batteries NOW?