white men can't jump - black men can't swim?
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It's quite incredible how this article completely ignores the biology of why Blacks are generally not good swimmers - they have denser bones and higher proportions denser high-twitch muscle fibres than other races.
When you see the dominance of Blacks in other sports where strength and speed rule, you would think they would be great swimmers. The fact that there are no top Black swimmers can hardly be attributed to social factors like the moronic BBC claims.
This is another trashy PC article by the Biased Brainwashing Corporation.
When you see the dominance of Blacks in other sports where strength and speed rule, you would think they would be great swimmers. The fact that there are no top Black swimmers can hardly be attributed to social factors like the moronic BBC claims.
This is another trashy PC article by the Biased Brainwashing Corporation.
Man of Honour
That's an outdated view and a gross over simplification of biology as it happens. It's made the whole 'black men can't swim' rationale a sort of urban myth. Over population sizes there will be black men very capable of swimming to a high standard, just like there are white sprinters which apparently defies convention.
It is a simple truth more leaning towards the fact that black men don't WANT to swim in large enough numbers such that a few gifted ones excel to a competitive level.
Most likely as said above, it's not fashionable for them to do so; they prefer playing basketball or American football instead. A pool is needed (expensive, not available everywhere) compared to a hoop and ball to practice basket ball regularly for example. It's much easier to play randomly, i.e. fulfil the obsessiveness required to get to the top. Most of their friends wouldn't be swimming. There are no top black swimmers either, though with that US guy I think things are changing.
It is a simple truth more leaning towards the fact that black men don't WANT to swim in large enough numbers such that a few gifted ones excel to a competitive level.
Most likely as said above, it's not fashionable for them to do so; they prefer playing basketball or American football instead. A pool is needed (expensive, not available everywhere) compared to a hoop and ball to practice basket ball regularly for example. It's much easier to play randomly, i.e. fulfil the obsessiveness required to get to the top. Most of their friends wouldn't be swimming. There are no top black swimmers either, though with that US guy I think things are changing.
Soldato
Swimming is like walking, it just makes sense, i dont remember being taught how to swim, im know my parents just randomly let me splash about on the beach when i was like 4.
This is how i feel also
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Soldato
Easy solution:
School swimming.
It's what all primary schools have here, at least 1 year, usually around the age of 7-8, you have to follow swimming lessons once per week... Mist often at that time children can already swim as they were sent to swimming lessons by their parents.
I couldn't, I was taught the basics during those lessons, to add to the problem I was scared of deep water... It resulted in me being able to keep myself above water and swim very slowly ( both normally and on my back) up to about the age of 12. After that I just learned a bit more by simply going to the swimming pool every one or 2 weeks and by 13 I could swim fine in various ways.
Then again the NL has far more canals, rivers, creeks, etc than the US and it's generally accepted that everyone should be able to swim.
School swimming.
It's what all primary schools have here, at least 1 year, usually around the age of 7-8, you have to follow swimming lessons once per week... Mist often at that time children can already swim as they were sent to swimming lessons by their parents.
I couldn't, I was taught the basics during those lessons, to add to the problem I was scared of deep water... It resulted in me being able to keep myself above water and swim very slowly ( both normally and on my back) up to about the age of 12. After that I just learned a bit more by simply going to the swimming pool every one or 2 weeks and by 13 I could swim fine in various ways.
Then again the NL has far more canals, rivers, creeks, etc than the US and it's generally accepted that everyone should be able to swim.
Soldato
Americans won't raise taxes too fund this stuff, communism might take over. 
I remeber when I was about 8 and we started to go swimming with school. They were so impressed I was sent to the diving pool with the older kids.
How can you not swim??? I suspect drowning is harder. Must be rather nasty swallowing all that water and then dying, don't think I could do it.
I remeber when I was about 8 and we started to go swimming with school. They were so impressed I was sent to the diving pool with the older kids.
How can you not swim??? I suspect drowning is harder. Must be rather nasty swallowing all that water and then dying, don't think I could do it.
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Man of Honour
Even the black long distance runners? Because I always thought that they had the exact opposite.
Nope, BBC is correct: it's cultural, not racial.
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Caporegime
Americans won't raise taxes too fund this stuff, communism might take over.
Pretty much.
There are lots of obvious reasons:
Generations of systematic racial discrimination banning afro-americans from being allowed to swim doesn't instill a good foundation.
Usual social economic factors, due to continuing racial prejudice and exclusion the average afro-american family has less financial ability to afford things like swimming lessons or frequent holiday to beaches or hotels with pools etc. I am certain even within the UK the swimming rate in poorer families are markedly lower than the average - was certainly true when I was at school.
Generations of systematic racial discrimination banning afro-americans from being allowed to swim doesn't instill a good foundation.
Usual social economic factors, due to continuing racial prejudice and exclusion the average afro-american family has less financial ability to afford things like swimming lessons or frequent holiday to beaches or hotels with pools etc. I am certain even within the UK the swimming rate in poorer families are markedly lower than the average - was certainly true when I was at school.
Man of Honour
My boy is 7 in November and hasn't been swimming with school at all. I was 12 when I moved to my final high school and I didn't go swimming once with them. A big shame as I had been a decent level competitive swimmer before that. I kept swimming of course and still can to a fairly high level but my whole generation of pupils at that school wouldn't have had the impetus.
I didn't even realise it was curriculum.
I didn't even realise it was curriculum.
Cullen Jones would disagree with you. So would Anthony Ervin and Maritza Correia. All back, all olympic medal winners.
Soldato
I'm white, 6'2" tall and can jump very high, play basketball... lol.
BS tbh.
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BS tbh.
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Soldato
Sure blacks can swim! When those slave boats sank, some managed to swim to shore.
In jest... this is actually a really harsh thing to say.
In jest... this is actually a really harsh thing to say.
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It is part of the curriculum (provided you're in England). But it's not specified exactly when, that's up to the school. I'm a teacher, the children at my school go in Year 4 (8-9 years old), but I didn't go swimming with school until I was in Year 6, age 10-11 (and in fact, already knew how to swim as I'd been going for lessons since the age of 6).
If your son hasn't been yet then that doesn't mean he won't - if you're in England then he will go swimming before he leaves primary school.
Man of Honour
Yep, we're in England. He's capable of moving around in water but it's more of a doggy paddle than anything
They all made a bad call clearly, I would not be jumping in as a non-swimmer.
What really caps it off is that the one originally in trouble was aided by the passer-by...
At some point I was competitive enough to be in the front runners in swimming classes at circa 8-10 years old. Now? I'd be very hesistant to leap in to help someone, because I may well be a liability myself (if not at risk of drowning per se).
I'm not sure why it should be taken for granted or mandatory though, but I'll leave the schooling debate aside.
What really caps it off is that the one originally in trouble was aided by the passer-by...
At some point I was competitive enough to be in the front runners in swimming classes at circa 8-10 years old. Now? I'd be very hesistant to leap in to help someone, because I may well be a liability myself (if not at risk of drowning per se).
I'm not sure why it should be taken for granted or mandatory though, but I'll leave the schooling debate aside.
Soldato
Pool's close... err . . . open!
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Only partly true. You can't deny Western African Blacks dominate sprinting even if you get the odd White sprinter. Is this because Whites don't like to run? It's all in the genetics.
There will never be a Black Michael Phelps or Ian Thorpe for the physical reasons I previously stated.
Associate
Ive been swimming since i can remember. My parents put me into leasson as soon as they were able to. Mainly beacuse my Nan lives right on the River and they wanted me to know how to swim in case the worst happened. Since i been swimming since a early age it always amazes me when people cant swim, but i have only met a few people who cant and my own natural ablity is properly why im amazed as it is, so easy to me.
As for the arguement if it is a natural abilty to swim i dont know. The reason that people drown because is not that they can't swim is more the fact that the panic. If a non swimmer was to fall in the water but stay calm and start slowly moving arms and legs they would be able to prevent themselves from drowning.
As for the arguement if it is a natural abilty to swim i dont know. The reason that people drown because is not that they can't swim is more the fact that the panic. If a non swimmer was to fall in the water but stay calm and start slowly moving arms and legs they would be able to prevent themselves from drowning.
Any reason you are ignoring the black olympic medalists I mentioned earlier?