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Who has waited for 6970 ?
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I'm waiting, but mostly just to see if the prices change. In an ideal world I'd get a 580 for <£350 and it would be an Asus. But regardless, I'll be getting one by the holidays 
Soldato
I'm still using a 192 core GTX260. I am very patient.
I want a faster card to drive three screens more effectively in iRacing. So either a cheap 5870, cheaper 6870, or more expensive 69** is on the shopping list. Have cash, will spend it. All I need is some early reviews to give me a better idea which way to jump.
The three screen thing pretty much rules out Nvidia because I don't want 2 power-hungry vid cards in my machine in summer, or to keep using my TripleHead unit.
Andrew McP
I want a faster card to drive three screens more effectively in iRacing. So either a cheap 5870, cheaper 6870, or more expensive 69** is on the shopping list. Have cash, will spend it. All I need is some early reviews to give me a better idea which way to jump.
The three screen thing pretty much rules out Nvidia because I don't want 2 power-hungry vid cards in my machine in summer, or to keep using my TripleHead unit.
Andrew McP
Soldato
waiting for 6970/6990 comparisons before i decide
hoping a 6970 will be able to possibly max out metro 2033 at a playable frame rate
hoping a 6970 will be able to possibly max out metro 2033 at a playable frame rate
Care to explain why you think they are abysmal? Apart from the recent pink hue issue which I fixed in 2 seconds, I have not had a issue with the drivers, and I have had a few ATI cards since I replaced 8800 GTS years ago.
Many people go on about ATI drivers being very bad, I find they have improved a lot in past 4-5 years and have been good enough at least the past 2 years. Admittedly I have not had a Nvidia card since my 2-3 years of using 7800 gt and 8800 GTS, but how has nvidia drivers improved in this time that make some people here sound like they are miles ahead and much better than ATI's.
From my perspective these drivers do everything I need them to do. I have it connected to my 50" tv and my 24" monitor. It's nicely setup and works fine. When I fancy a racing game I hook up my xbox controller on to my PC and turn on my TV and enjoy
Anyway, I am not trying to have a go at you, just wondering what it is in your opinion that makes ATI drivers "abysmal".
Soldato
Care to explain why you think they are abysmal? Apart from the recent pink hue issue which I fixed in 2 seconds, I have not had a issue with the drivers, and I have had a few ATI cards since I replaced 8800 GTS years ago.
Many people go on about ATI drivers being very bad, I find they have improved a lot in past 4-5 years and have been good enough at least the past 2 years. Admittedly I have not had a Nvidia card since my 2-3 years of using 7800 gt and 8800 GTS, but how has nvidia drivers improved in this time that make some people here sound like they are miles ahead and much better than ATI's.
From my perspective these drivers do everything I need them to do. I have it connected to my 50" tv and my 24" monitor. It's nicely setup and works fine. When I fancy a racing game I hook up my xbox controller on to my PC and turn on my TV and enjoy
Anyway, I am not trying to have a go at you, just wondering what it is in your opinion that makes ATI drivers "abysmal".
Drivers for ATI & NV can be abysmal for the individual & sometimes they go through a patch of not very good in general.
The problem is setter's post is generalising his/her personal bad experience which happens far to often.
I'm not going to generalise me & my friends good experience with ATI & crossfire as the rule because there will be posts by others with the exact opposite.
I find ATI & crossfire to be every good in my personal & my friends experience . = personalised.
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ATI drivers are abysmal. I had a 5970 and 5850 in tri fire using Eyefinity and it never worked once. You would get abysmal performance, and from what i have read it's still not been fixed for Tri Fire or Quadfire
New drivers would break previously working games by either giving horrific performance by disabling crossfire support. You could wait over a month for a new game to be given a working crossfire profile. On my HTPC i had to switch back to older drivers as the latest drivers broke scaling and made the desktop look wrong on my TV. Problem after problem. Go read up some of Darren Hodgson's posts on guru3d.com he documented loads of issues with his dual 5870's.
Oh, and can you say "No per game profiles" STILL after everyone and their dog asking for them for over 3 years.
I have sold my 5970 and purchased a 580. ATI cards are technically superior, but the far better Nvidia driver team swings it for me.
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5970 and 5850 is not a very common setup.
I have only renamed a game once to get CF support & the very next driver had the profile & there are 3rd party apps to help out with no profile games & 3 years for what exactly?
Tri Fire or Quadfire has been fixed for Eyefinity but like everything else in the PC world there will always be people with problems because of the vast array of setups, configuration & software installed that can conflict.
Scaling issue is also present for some NV users as well.
Lets just stick to the facts & no exaggerations of my problems are the same for all & no one has these problems on other products.
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I understand why you may have felt that way, but your not really being fair and impartial really. That's like if I was to have a rough time with a 3 way sli and saying nvidia's drivers are abysmal. Now I have a 6970 and I have no problem. ATI's drivers are better...
Can't really compare sli or crossfire to a single card.
Perhaps the reason I have never had an issue with ATI drivers and been very happy is due to always having a single GPU.
From the sounds of things Nvidia may indeed have better drivers for those with multiple GPU setups. But I think there is a small percentage of people who use multiple GPU setups and these seem to be the most vocal ones on forums.
Funny thing is, the guy I got my 5850 of went on to purchase 2 geforce 470's to sli them. He had many issues and headaches and in the end returned them and got a 5870 and is waiting for a 6970/90. I have read problems on both sides with drivers, but mainly they seem to be with multiple GPU setups. Just because you have not experienced them does not mean they don't exist and that they are very reliable.
Personally I would take 580 GTX over a 5970 or 470 sli any day. The 580 may not be as fast, but it's close enough. At least I know I won't have to worry about drivers.
Edit: Wow... Reading through my post before posting reminded me of drunkenmaster with his walls of text. lol. Albeit my one is a mini wall, just not used to typing so much for a reply
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A 580 GTX would be the closest you can get to dual multi GPU performance without the hassle.
But for me Tri GPU is the minimum so that's out of the question.
But for me Tri GPU is the minimum so that's out of the question.
Yeah, your right, I think I also took into account the quoted text for a while. Don't think I can ever compete with drunkenmaster, that guy is on another level/planet. lol
Well you better sell your ATI crap you currently have and get on-board with 3 geforce 470's then. According to setter "ati card and theyre abysmal drivers" must be giving you lot's of headaches. lol.
Just kidding, but just goes to show that if one has issues with a certain brand's drivers they should not generalise and make it sound like one companies drivers are crap. Would be more accurate to say something like, in my experience I have had issues with ATI drivers and been fine with nvidia's. This way you are describing your experience with them, rather than making it sound like they are crap full stop for everyone, which is simply not true.
btw setter, not attacking you are anything like that, so don't feel singled out. You make many good posts here, just don't agree with you on this one
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Im waiting for the 6990
The people who say ATI drivers are crap are: People who havent used there cards / drivers and just read issues...
Or they cant install ATI software..
The people who say ATI drivers are crap are: People who havent used there cards / drivers and just read issues...
Or they cant install ATI software..
Soldato
Im waiting for the 6990
The people who say ATI drivers are crap are: People who havent used there cards / drivers and just read issues...
Or they cant install ATI software..
I would not say that the case for all but some people will do things there own way no matter what they have been told.
Driver cleaners should be the last resort because what harm they can do can be permanent & may not show up for many driver installs later like i had tested & only a clean install of Windows could put right.
Soldato
The 5850s I had were great cards, cool and very quiet, however, I PERSONALLY had a tough time with ATIs Crossfire drivers, nothing insurmountable admittedly, but none the less very annoying.
Changing driver sets constantly, flickering desktop images, DP not working with certain revisions (or ghosting double images), Alt tabbing to enable crossfire, crossfire not working when I changed options in CCC etc etc. I gave up around 9.12 after waiting for magic driver revisions and went 470SLI, far noisier and hotter, but for me, less hassle with far more options within the Control Panel.
I understand the scaling's improved with the 6 series, which is great, now if they devoted more time and resourses to getting a great control panel with lots of options to fault find (along the lines of the SLI load balancing graph and the ability to test different rendering modes) then I'd consider their Multi-GPU offerings again.
Changing driver sets constantly, flickering desktop images, DP not working with certain revisions (or ghosting double images), Alt tabbing to enable crossfire, crossfire not working when I changed options in CCC etc etc. I gave up around 9.12 after waiting for magic driver revisions and went 470SLI, far noisier and hotter, but for me, less hassle with far more options within the Control Panel.
I understand the scaling's improved with the 6 series, which is great, now if they devoted more time and resourses to getting a great control panel with lots of options to fault find (along the lines of the SLI load balancing graph and the ability to test different rendering modes) then I'd consider their Multi-GPU offerings again.