Who knows what about the BMW 6 series?

The same man who seemingly cannot comprehend just how expensive running something like this car is going to be, but it's okay, he'll just get a warranty. Yeah, I can see all of the warranty companies fighting over wanting to have a 4 year old complex prestige car with 70k+ miles on its books.

These are all answers I'm hoping to find in this thread (from people in the know).

It is a 630i? I would probably hold out for a v8 model if so - particularly if it's a second car.

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/2362033.htm

It's a 650i, according to the ad anyway. The one in that link looks lovely, I'm planning to look at a few even if this one on Monday seems perfect.

I dont know or want to dig into your situation but think carefully about this then if you are going to be doing any sort of real miles in it.

I'd estimate 6k per annum.

Regarding financial matters, I'm getting a car allowance that should cover the credit card repayments along with some of the servicing, anything further will just come from my monthly income.
 
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I'd estimate 6k per annum.

Regarding financial matters, I'm getting a car allowance that should cover the credit card repayments along with some of the servicing, anything further will just come from my monthly income.

**** it then mate, he who dares wins, i havent drive a 650 but iv driven a few 645s, your gonna like that :)
 
These are all answers I'm hoping to find in this thread (from people in the know).



It's a 650i, according to the ad anyway. The one in that link looks lovely, I'm planning to look at a few even if this one on Monday seems perfect.



I'd estimate 6k per annum.

Regarding financial matters, I'm getting a car allowance that should cover the credit card repayments along with some of the servicing, anything further will just come from my monthly income.


Oh that sounds good. Cost of fuel/tyres becomes insignificant really with that sort of mileage, and the 650i is a great car. Do it!

You'll have to go into it with the same frame of mind that I have on my M3. Be prepared for >£500 insurance and potentially the same for servicing too. A set of tyres will sting you for around £750. Gearbox and engine should be reliable, but again be prepared for potential £1,000+ bills there. As a second car, things are easier as you get a bit more choice in when and how you want to spend the money rather than having to throw it at a dealer to get it sorted ASAP.
 
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What I am interested in is a man dramatically changing the tune that he was singing incredibility loudly little over a week ago. The same man who a little over a week ago effectively said that higher running and servicing costs put him off having a bigger engined car than a 1.4 Volkswagen on his epic 8 mile commute. The same who a little over a week ago was slagging off people with big engined cars, but has conveniently "forgotten" all of that.

To address this point, maybe I was persuaded by the arguments against me. The foolish man is the man that never changes his mind. Try not to take it so personally.
 
The foolish man is the man that never changes his mind.

But it's a web forum, you MUST stick with your point even when the entire world is telling you it's wrong. If you don't this forum will stop working and a gap will appear which the entire internet will be sucked into and we are all doomed.
 
Why does this thread contain the word 'Fox' more than it contains '650i' :confused:

Anyway..

The 6 Series. A fantastic car - I love them. It's based on the E60 5 Series but is a better car in almost every way - though when new it had a price tag that was significantly more expensive than the eqiuvilent 5 Series. It shares components with the 5 mostly for technical and production reasons rather than because it's supposed to be a 5 Series Coupe - inside and out it is a more upmarket car. The interior is better built and uses more high quality materials, it's also far more asthetically pleasing than the E60.

If the 5 Series is a posh reps car then the 6 Series is most definately the MD's car.

Fabulous range of engines - from the reasonably frugal yet still powerful straight six 3 litre through to the potent V8's. The facelift in 2007 also brought with it the sole diesel model, the 635d, which makes a serious case for a great GT car because it also fixes one of the few flaws in the 6 Series - it's pittiful tank range.

It's a large waftable GT rather than a fun sports car.

I've looked into these a lot - I love how they look, I love the interiors, I think they are just really great cars and they fix most of the things I don't like about my preffered choice, the 3 Series. However it's not really on my shortlist, and the reason why will probably answer the second part of your post.

These cars are getting older now and accruing higher mileage. They are also very complex cars and virtually nothing that goes wrong is either quick, easy or inexpensive to fix. Additionally, quite a few of the more major components have to be specifically coded to the car. This makes a decent warranty a must unless you are so wealthy that you simply don't care about chucking 4 figures down the pan on a semi regular basis.

Once you hit about 70k miles or more the availability of a decent warranty begins to diminish. The BMW warranty becomes both useless and extortionately expensive - on this car it will cost in excess of £1000 a year and will also omit cover for various components and begin to class some repairs as 'wear and tear'. This leaves you at the mercy of the third party warranty companies who are very hit and miss - they try everything they can to wriggle out of a claim. Many, such as WD, also expect a contribution to parts costs which increases the further past 60k miles you go.

The 6 month warranty from the dealer will also not be worth the paper its written on - I know this from bitter experience with the E60 (Not going into this until its resolved). So whilst in theory yes you have rights with an independant trader its best assuming you don't, unless you want to have a massive fight in order to get those rights - it's amazing how quickly the trader turns cold when you pitch up 5 months later with a £2k bill.

So, that, for me, puts the 6 Series out of contention. They are simply too expensive to buy the sort of example where you can run it without worrying about bills - ie a low mileage example. If you wish to go for it you are a braver man than I, but I'll have a lot of respect for you as they are awesome cars. I've chickened out and am going for a 3 Series half the age with half the miles.

The 6 Series is a £60,000 GT car - it drives like one but it's also like one to run. The 650i is very thirsty as well, though at 6k a year you are probably not that bothered.

That said if you do go for it at that sort of mileage I expect nothing other than an immaculate car - they are well made and a decent BMW at high mileage can and should look as good as new. The reason for favouring low mileage on the newer cars is not because of their ability to handle high mileage, far from it, its because irritating failures happen at any mileage on these cars and warranty companies run away at higher mileage. So if you've got the spare capital to fix it yourself and you don't think you'll get bored, fast of fixing a BMW more than you really feel you ought to fix this sort of car, then that looks like a fabulous example.

At the end of the day, its a gamble. Up to you :)
 
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My brother has a 650i M sport with loads of BMW individual stuff on , tis a great car, sounds amazing

only real issue is depreciation and that works in your favour
 
Just to be a pedant, and for point of reference, there is no 650i M Sport. The 6 Series is one of the few cars to never receive M Sport trim. Instead, there is a 'Sport' trim which lacks some of the things you get on M Sport on other cars. No M branded door sills, etc.

And Robbie, that car is probably worth about £16.5-£17k from a 'trader' I'd imagine.
 
Lovely car, good luck trying to run it though :(

Maybe take a look at a smaller engined lower mileage equivalent then you might be able to find a warranty that's actually functional! Because if you are only doing 6k a year you could get a few years out of it before the warranty company stop covering the chunky parts.

I know it's poncy but I prefer the convertible too :)
 
I'd push for £16K area on this, perhaps a cheeky high 15's which is highly unlikely but worth a punt if they need to get rid. Don't bid until you are ready to buy as the dealer needs to see you are serious but if you want it you should feel confident starting at a cheeky number. It needs to be in the £16's I think and I think it could be had for that.
 
I'd push for £16K area on this, perhaps a cheeky high 15's which is highly unlikely but worth a punt if they need to get rid. Don't bid until you are ready to buy as the dealer needs to see you are serious but if you want it you should feel confident starting at a cheeky number. It needs to be in the £16's I think and I think it could be had for that.

I said 16k, if you start hitting 15s its just gonna give the man the hump, it probably cost him 15 remember.

Also looking at that blokes stock he aint only a car dealer and not short i wouldnt think.
 
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Just to be a pedant, and for point of reference, there is no 650i M Sport. The 6 Series is one of the few cars to never receive M Sport trim. Instead, there is a 'Sport' trim which lacks some of the things you get on M Sport on other cars. No M branded door sills, etc.

And Robbie, that car is probably worth about £16.5-£17k from a 'trader' I'd imagine.

:p

when he bought it it was listed by the BMW AD as a 650i AM Sport ( the A being auto I assume )
 
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The 6 Series

:eek: A fantastically useful reply as usual, much appreciated and just what I was after.

The more I think about the 6 series, the more it seems obvious that it's the right car for me. Individual and distinctive looks, comfortable yet pacey, still practical enough to be able to carry things in the back and in the boot. It's a beast that always catches my eye on the road.

Facelift might be out of my budget, depending on whether or not the upgrades justify the extra cost. *Runs off to pistonheads*
 
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1715674.htm

Something like that would get my cash, as in I'd spend more money on the purchase price to achieve a lower mileage example which might reduce the chances of massive outlays a few months down the line :)

I think the value for money, bang for buck has hit the deck when you start chasing them super low miles.

I honestly think he picked a winner first time round, its newer, few extra miles, but that seems to be a sweet spot for them.

This where budget creep sets in too, oh look at that one for 20k, bloody hell look at that one a minter for 22, **** me iv found it its perfect and only 27 :D
 
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Won't getting any sort of third party warranty on a BMW V8 that's gone beyond 60,000 miles be a hugely futile exercise? I thought beyond that sort of mileage, most warranties become virtually worthless as they stop covering anything.

It's not the sort of car i'd really want to be running without a warranty.
 
A bit of blast from the past.

But also considering a medium to high mileage 6 series. Always been a fan of the style and should have the cash to throw at one in terms of maintenance but I'd love to know more about what to expect. Bar the obvious costs like pricey tyres and servicing what could I expect these random £1,000+ bills to be? I'd assume that we'll serviced maintained 6 series would be pretty reliable so kinda concerned when folks talk of £1000 bills for issues that aren't described? For me it's be comparing the cost of maintaining a 6 series against the cost of a decent (e.g £280 PCM lease) so would 3.5k a year be enough to cover running a 6 series (bar insurance, fuel and tax/ servicing)?

Just to be clear, when I look at other cars it's normally quite clear what you can expect (e.g timing belt change at x miles, dpf clean / issues at x miles / body work issues at x miles) but with the 6 series it's almost like "at some point something expensive will go wrong and cost you millions but I'm not going to tell you what that is" lol
 
6-year-old thread res!
The main thing to watch for on the 6-series is on the V8 models. There is a water pipe that runs through the block and when (not if) it fails, it's a complete engine stripdown to fix. There are some temporary fixes available but it's still a big job and most people who I've seen do the temporary fix move the car on right after doing it.
Go for the 6-cylinder model (630i). More than enough power but doesn't have this potential issue.
They are mostly reliable cars with similar running costs to a 5-series of the same vintage. That's not to say they are cheap cars to maintain but they are generally solid apart from the V8s.
 
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