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Who will be the next Labour leader?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by BowdonUK, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. humbug

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    The Government can use any broadcaster for whatever it wants to say.
     
  2. Pudney

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    Just add £155 to everyone's tax bill and the Government can move everything in house. Job done, problem solved!
     
  3. Murphy

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    Not the question i asked, do you know what the roll of a public broadcast system is and you don't think that's important?

    The government doesn't "use" a public broadcast system, it's called a public broadcast system not a government broadcast system.
     
  4. humbug

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    Go on...
     
  5. Hagar

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    What do I think? I think that this thread on the future Labour leadership has gone so far off topic that it is no longer important what I think as somebody will trump it with the BBC licence. :p
     
  6. humbug

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    I know and I did try to bring it back on topic.... :)

     
  7. Hagar

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    Andy Burnham would or should have been the Labour leader following Ed Milliband. I bet that he is glad that he got out from Leigh Lancashire before this election. He is making a reasonable fist of the Mayor for manchester though.
     
  8. humbug

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    Yeah, he was my choice for Labour leader, i think he could make Labour much more electable, especially now that we know what the country thinks of a far left Labour.

    IMO Labour need to do something about all of its activists now controlling the party, like put them in a gimp box and seal it, tight. Including all those virtue-signalling champaign socialist celebrities that keep endorsing them. And silly little Guardian columnists.

    But its not going to happen, because these people have control, they are not going to give that or their soapboxes up. They will keep telling themselves that if they shout louder they can bring people around to their way of thinking, its all they have.

    They set off on a journey there was no turning back from.

    I'm a floating voter, i vote for policy and ideas, not a party and right now we do not have an opposition, i'm far from comfortable with that.
     
  9. Murphy

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    :confused:
    Arguably you were the one who took it off topic...
     
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  10. Sankari

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    She's not radfem. She's not even second wave. But to her credit, she has been very open in her criticism of the British Pakistani community and its predilection for raping of young white girls.
     
  11. do_ron_ron

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  12. FoxEye

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    Tbh it seems like even the working classes in this country are centre-right now in their politics.

    Cornwall has been voting blue for several elections now. You hear builders, plumbers, road sweepers, all talking about the Tories being a safe pair of hands, etc.

    I don't know how this happened, but Labour really does have an uphill battle ahead, unless the Tories royally **** us over big time - and crucially don't manage to blame everyone else but themselves.

    In most other circumstances I think we're looking at decades of Tory rule. Unless we ever ditch FPTP, this is the future for the UK, as far as I can see.

    Labour just seem completely defeated. Not just in this election, but they seem a spent, defeated force in UK politics, if the current climate prevails.

    Their only hope is that Gen Y and later really do think differently to Gen X and older, and continue to think differently as they age/retire.
     
  13. Uther

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    Yep, agree with this. The best people can hope for is a competent opposition that can hold the government to account. I won't hold my breath though. I fully expect the Cons to be in power when I reach retirement age in 12 years (that's if they don't put it up again in the meantime...)
     
  14. Rroff

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    Maybe not consciously aware of it but I think many in the trades these days have something to lose - builders, plumbers, etc. they've started to recognise that ultimately down the line these radical ideas favoured by the likes of Corbyn, etc. are going to miss the targetted "elite" classes, etc. and end up with people like them bearing much of the brunt of funding it - IMO this is a lot of the reason why Labour was so resoundingly defeated.
     
  15. The_Abyss

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    It is a wholly naive view to think that the political understanding and government won't change for decades. One only needs to look back a couple of decades to circumstances where similar governments / parties seemed invincible and then imploded - in an age before the internet and fast media..

    I think that your view paints a more accurate view of you rather than an accurate forecast for UK politics.
     
  16. Hagar

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    12 years ish for Maggie and Blair, I think that Boris has got a refresh with his majority as the tories were looking stale and nearing a decade, a dangerous time. Luckily with a poor offering from Labour they have a new start. If he does not **** it up he has five years and maybe ten to carry through his policies. By then a reasonable 21st century opposition may have emerged.
     
  17. The_Abyss

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    Indeed. That is not 'decades' though. And time in office is not the same as effectiveness in office. When momentum and confidence is lost - aka lame duck - then not much really gets done.
     
  18. Hagar

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    Could not agree more, Maggie got stale, as did Callaghan before and Major after, Blair was fine for six years also. Makes you wonder if a premier should have no more than two terms in office irrespective of whether the party stays in longer?
     
  19. The_Abyss

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    The parties themselves are normally efficient enough to ditch an underperforming leader. But that approach would be so much more effective in a PR system as opposed to FPTP.

    In general, I think that the UK places far too much emphasis on the leader of the party. The expectations on the individual are too high - the job is just too big. When there are moderate issues happening, all too often the prime minister is put up for questions. It should instead be the relevant minister or secretary.

    In the right circumstances, I'd applaud a prime minister who answered a technical question with 'I don't know, I'll put it to my minister.'
     
  20. BowdonUK

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    Most of this country is right wing, especially the working classes. Labour got a lot of votes by representing the working classes when we had a good manufacturing industry that was destroyed and sold off by the Tories. But as time as gone on the Labour party have leaned more and more left wing, similar to the trade unions, more concerned with the immigrant worker than the British worker, even using the lines that British workers are lazy.

    This is the whole reason why we have smaller right wing parties popping up. Because Labour for a long time haven't represented even the anti-Tory vote, at least its felt like that to a lot of people. Then at the same time when one of these parties emerge Labour are the first to label them and put the boot in.

    Phillips Could Campaign to Rejoin EU


    She fell right in to the Marr trap. She is the manifestion of why Labour lost, in her own words. Her seat voted to leave yet she voted to remain. At an election people vote for the person, not the party. So she just took it upon herself to ignore the wishes of her constituents and not only voted against their wishes, but in this interview shes saying she'd do it again! No lessons learned. How many elections do we need for these people to wake up!?