Whos staying on Win7 and whos going to Win8?

Pathetic. If there was a time when Microsoft had all the different versions, now should have been a time to introduce it. Flat boring quick UI OS for portables. Pretty modern versions for desktops. Though as it's been proven, design/elegance and UI layout has never been on Microsoft's side. How many different UI's do they need to go through to have them all ditched?

They wonder why people whine when there's huge change... and they can't stick to a path and refine it. All or nothing. ¬_¬
 
ive had win8 running for a while now since an early Rc version cant remember the number from work get rid of the tablet style front end and it looks same as win7 pretty much
wont be going over to it tottaly tho atm am running multi boot across drives with

winxp 32
winvista 64
win7 64
win8 64
ubuntu 64
 
Pathetic. If there was a time when Microsoft had all the different versions, now should have been a time to introduce it. Flat boring quick UI OS for portables. Pretty modern versions for desktops.

Like OSX and iOS? I'd say there are far more fundamental problems with that model than desktop Windows 8 users having to look at a few tiles every now and again.

They wonder why people whine when there's huge change... and they can't stick to a path and refine it. All or nothing. ¬_¬

They can't stick to a path? They've been flogging the desktop/taskbar/start button since Windows 95!
 
I'll stick, there's no point in putting a tablet/phone OS on a keyboard/mouse based PC.

Microsoft's big bet (and it's a good one) is that in 1-3 years everyone will be using touch screen tablet devices. Desktops and laptops will be considered legacy hardware.

The mouse and keyboard will only be connected when they are needed. All other times you'll use the more convenient touch screen.

The problem with people who slate Win8 because of its Metro UI is that they can't see 2 inches past their own face. They're so swallowed up in the state of how computers work today that it simply doesn't occur to them that everything is changing. The "post-PC era" as Steve Jobs called it is arriving very fast.
 
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Microsoft's big bet (and it's a good one) is that in 1-3 years everyone will be using touch screen tablet devices. Desktops and laptops will be considered legacy hardware.

Plus more and more laptops and desktops will ship with touch screens.
 
Plus more and more laptops and desktops will ship with touch screens.

More likely they're betting that desktops will die out entirely, apart from among a small number of 'power users'.

Touchscreen desktops are a crazy idea. Hold your arm out horizontally in front of you for two minutes. I bet it's already starting to ache.

All other times you'll use the more convenient touch screen.

There's nothing remotely convenient about a touchscreen if you're writing a 5000-word report. I'll keep my laptop, thanks!
 
Perhaps because on desktops/laptops with touchscreen, you won't be using the touchscreen for several minutes at a time. More like a second or two.

And your laptop, you mean your tablet with a. Keyboard dock or tablet with keyboard and mouse and screen dock.
 
Perhaps because on desktops/laptops with touchscreen, you won't be using the touchscreen for several minutes at a time. More like a second or two.

I can't think of any way whatsoever in which a touchscreen is a better input method for a desktop than a mouse. A mouse is less fatiguing, more accurate and has multiple buttons.
 
There's nothing remotely convenient about a touchscreen if you're writing a 5000-word report. I'll keep my laptop, thanks!

It's convenient if all you're doing is consuming content.

Plug in a keyboard and mouse if you're producing content. Not exactly hard.

That's pretty much the workflow for any serious laptop user today anyway. Everybody prefers a proper keyboard and mouse for their laptop when using it for extended periods...
 
It's convenient if all you're doing is consuming content.

Plug in a keyboard and mouse if you're producing content. Not exactly hard.

That's pretty much the workflow for any serious laptop user today anyway. Everybody prefers a proper keyboard and mouse for their laptop when using it for extended periods...

Exactly.
Also touchscreen as a second monitor I awesome, can just play about with it, whilst using the other monitor for work. Want to change music, watch a tutorial on YouTube or what ever.

People will ahv to eat there words, aid it before, I'll say it again. Thi I no different to when the majority thought iPad was useless and would fail. Times are a changin' and yet again people can't see it.

A tablet can do everything a desktop/laptop can't.
I can plug an i5 tablet into a monitor and k&m and hav a full fipunctioningg desktop, I can equally connect that said tablet to a keyboard dock and have a laptop, and I can ditch all the docks and have a tablet. Marvels off having a full OS on a tablet.
 
This Metro debate reminds me of the Office 2007 Ribbon UI switch. Lots of heated arguments over this; I'd admit I was sceptical at first but I just can't imagine going back to a menu based UI - everything seems so much easier with the Ribbon.

I haven't tried Metro yet - again, I can imagine myself going though the 'WTF' phase but I'm sure over time it will become a habit. Like it or not - this is the future.
 
Touchscreen desktops are a crazy idea. Hold your arm out horizontally in front of you for two minutes. I bet it's already starting to ache.

Touchscreen desktops aren't actually happening. They might be a product offering, sure (by the same clueless OEMs that Microsoft didn't trust with their Windows brand any more, so launched the Surface tablet). That doesn't mean they will sell. And that's not Microsoft's vision at all anyway.

Nobody except clueless OEMs is expecting people to sit at a desk and extend their arm out to touch their monitor. The form factor and use case scenario is all wrong. The solution is to think of applications where a touchscreen display *would* be useful, in a more casual setting where you aren't even necessarily sitting down. Unfortunately for OEMs the markets for these are currently smaller and aren't even in the early adoption phase. Is it really such a surprise that OEMs are clinging onto their established cash cow markets to flog next-gen products? No, not really. This is why Microsoft is sidestepping them with the Surface. Sometimes to punch into a new market to really drive innovation, ignite the spark, you have to do it yourself the hard way.

Touchscreen displays that can be embedded into kitchen walls are.
Touchscreen displays on airplanes, running Metro, are.
Kinect-gesture-controlled displays on your 50" LED TV are.
Tablets that you dock on your desk and which powers your multi-mon setup are; with the tablet then functioning as the most amazing multi-touch trackpad and "HUD" UI imaginable.

You need to think back to all those eerie and slightly cheesy white Japanese TV adverts in the 80s and 90s that represented the future home. Those... are beginning to happen right now.
 
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Plus more and more laptops and desktops will ship with touch screens.

Only for a short time by OEMs desperate to flog their wares to suckers that don't yet know what they really want. The cost of adding a touchscreen to a laptop is so small that they'll all end up with them eventually. Before the market as a whole just dries up.

In 5-8 years, watch out for the announcement from Asus/Acer/HP/ThinkPad etc that they're phasing out their laptop form factor. The memo will be written using the same tone and "changing consumer demand" explanation as other such famous ones as:

- The cassette tape
- The VHS tape
- Boots announcing they're removing all film photo processing and supplies from their stores
- The still pending but inevitable collapse of all highstreet music stores
- etc..

Laptop and desktop are legacy form factors in all of Microsoft's visions for the future of Windows.
 
Laptop and desktop are legacy form factors in all of Microsoft's visions for the future of Windows.

So web designers, coders, programmers, game developers, 3d modellers, scientists, graphic designers are all going to sit and swipe away on little touch screens or tablets? anyone else I've missed?
 
I think me means you'll use a dockable tablet thing instead of a large box that needs mains power all the time.

Time will tell I guess, there's a lot of people who can barely deal with docking stations for laptops at the moment without destroying the ports so it will be interesting to see how that particular problem is solved.
 
Dockable tablets isn't a big screen. Nearly all the above I've said love big screens to do their work. Imagine trying to model something on a puny screen. Or lots of code. Or heavy graphics. Considering most of their apps have lots of palettes.

Heck, look at Sky News and their editing. Working on one screen while outputting another. Thats honestly going to end? or rendering workstations.
 
Dockable tablets isn't a big screen. Nearly all the above I've said love big screens to do their work. Imagine trying to model something on a puny screen. Or lots of code. Or heavy graphics. Considering most of their apps have lots of palettes.

Heck, look at Sky News and their editing. Working on one screen while outputting another. Thats honestly going to end? or rendering workstations.

Docakable tablet is a big screen, you just dock a screen.

Desktop market is going to massively shrink in the coming years. Off course there's many people who still need a lot of power, but even that is shrinking as computer power increases. Those who need massive power allready use mainframe and cloud computing is likely to take off at somepoint.

Most of our company allready runs mainly on laptops that dock into screens, k&m, means they can just take it and still do emails, work, take it to a meating. Almost all the "software" is now web-based, this not only means they don't need to upgrade thousands of computers, rolling out updates to software is far easier. But so is auditing and keeping track of who's done what. This year they've also rolled out iPhones and iPads to thousands of employs.
 
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