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Why GPU prices are NOT likely to drop significantly EVER!

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stooeh said:
Playable yes but not ideal

Played Doom Eternal on the switch - 30 fps was doable but painful compared to PC - I'd much rather play at 80+ to be honest :)

Some games are fine at lower FPS like MSFS I would say but not shooters or fast paced games.
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Yep agreed for Fps and fast paced games you get better timing and accuracy but I'm sticking with super image quality (that's why I got a 4k monitor) and don't mind losing a bit of edge against AI.
Its different when I'm playing against people online though I'd want ideally about 200+ fps and the image does not have to be top quality.
 
Slam62 said:
I've been saying this for ten years, can you wait another ten? This is the new normal
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Yes but we're getting to the end of it now. The green shoots of Real inflation are starting to appear in the reserve currencies which will accelerate going forward.
Another 10 years? Three words *NOT A CHANCE*
The 2008 breakdown will look like tea party compared to what's ahead.
 
KompuKare said:
On the other hand, there would be two strategies to recoup R&D:
  1. Sell at ever higher prices to get a higher profit per item.
  2. Sell at the same or lower prices, get less per item but manner up for that with far higher volumes.
Obviously, currently there are genuine supply issues so increasing volumes is not possible.
But at normal times when that isn't the case, the two strategies could lead to different results.
  1. Might lead to a perception of being a premier product a la Apple. Will eventually shrink the market possibly killing the PC gaming market if porting from consoles is too much work.
  2. Might erodee brand as the parts are bought the rabble. Should grow the market, making PC gaming more attractive.
Approach #2 doesn't actually prevent selling lower volume premier cards as well.
Approach #1 might kill the PC gaming market in the longer term, which would mean, for example, Nvidia could no longer spread out there cost of features developed for their other markets (like tensor units) by including them in gaming cards.
I'm sure there are other differences between the two strategies, but to me it seems that the high prices strategy would suit the usual corporate short-termism and eventually kill the PC gaming golden egg.
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1. You're right AMD/NVIDIA want high sales and repeat customers so want to sell *CHEAPLY* as possible so people keep buying for years down the road.
2. BUT the market has got a *HOLD* and will push prices around as it sees fit, so even though AMD/NVIDIA don't want to kill the PC gaming golden egg its out of their hands.
3. REMEMBER the market is huge like the sea, its bigger than governments and central banks and that's what your seeing in action now. :)
 
g67575 said:
Supply will improve significantly, demand will fall (Ethereum mining is ending this year) and so prices will be close to reference model RRP prices (within 0-10%). It's that simple, it just takes time and patience.

We have already seen used graphics card prices fall on websites like CEX.

The Series S console has been readily available for months (which has a reasonable GPU).

Plus, Nvidia Graphics cards with more VRAM will be available next year, so it will be an all round better time to buy.

You seem very eager to claim prices will remain high forever, what is the benefit of buying right now though?
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Seems like wishful thinking here.
By the time we get a decent price cut the 4000/7000 series will be here and todays GPUs will be removed from the shelves.
Buy now and enjoy gaming on your new hi-speed GPU (enough stock in shops at big prices now), waiting 6/12 months is time wasted just to save a few hundred.
A few hundred only buys you a meal at a fancy restaurant nowadays. Wait to see if they release a monster RT GPU later on.
 
Dogeared said:
There's stock all over the place now.

I note the big Indian restaurant shop are finally showing stock of 3070's and 3060's on their website - lol, but not at the prices they have listed for the out of stock products, they are all double MSRP like everywhere else.

Tide is turning however, I'll be holding out for a long while yet. :D
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If you're gonna wait for a long time then might as well wait for 4000/7000 series.
 
Th0nt said:
Also those that sold 2080Ti's to get money back before the 30 series sold up when a few weeks months after the prices people were paying meant they could have got double the money had they not been so quick.
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Not so easy to do what you're saying. The inflation incoming is something we haven't seen for 50 years UK/US, I mean the 70's.
 
*** UPDATE ***

Hi everybody,

1. Fed is saying interest rate hike long way off, stock market falls if the rate is increased!
2. Fed says todays inflation is "transitory" due to supply chains/virus etc BUT the price of electric, food, gas etc has gone up even more weeks after this statement was made by the fed.
3. Copper, Iron ore, Aluminium, Soybeans prices are still very high!
4. Now you may say there's not much copper in a GPU but these materials are the basic building blocks of many products and services.
5. We're seeing a lot of inflation even without the big bubbles being popped yet, GPUs are just one of the items showing up on the inflation radar, But you should take note.
6. You should realise increasing interest rates and other hocus pocus methods cannot stop commodity shortage inflation!
7. An example is that the world is using copper from mines which are decades old, a new mine can't likely be set up even in 5 years so these sort of things will make sure inflation stays in place.
8. US Stock markets making new highs in the headlines in a short space of time shows we're close to the final peak. What you'll likely see is the Dow jump to 40000 or 50000 in a short time (almost vertical) and that will signal the end!
9. Why now are the big bubbles going to pop? Well the romans said that before their empire collapsed, the Japanese said the same before their stock bubble burst!


Regards, Harold :)
 
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potatolord said:
The shortage is not solely due to miners, but they have taken a significant chunk of production. It's very likely AIBs have been selling directly to large mining operators, rather than retail partners. When supply is already tight, that's not good news for Joe public.
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Yes but why is supply tight?
Should be enough GPUs stacked to the top of warehouse roofs, more than enough for miners, gamers etc
 
Joxeon said:
For 8 zen 2 cores, 40/56CU's of graphics, 16gb GDDR6, 1tb nvme, a blu Ray player, case, psu and a controller the consoles represent good VFM and considering you can't even buy a 40CU GPU for that price just shows what a rip off Gpus are.
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Rip off?
Maybe the purchasing power of your dollar, pound etc is getting less.
 
1. **HEADLINES** Dow Jones hits 35000+ the highest in history!
2. **HEADLINES** The price of TIN hits the highest in history!
3. Not long for stocks now, just a matter of months (less than 12 months) peak could be early next year but this year is my pick.
4. GPU prices NO significant change.
5. People waiting for 4000/7000 series be prepared to pay big and likely you'll want a new motherboard, memory etc so its going to cost.
6. FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS we're into the final few months! (and its been 50 years in the making!)
7. Read up on what happened to Japan January 1990 if you want to know what's ahead.
8. You're going to see history being made soon!
 
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Grim5 said:
Ok boomer.

there is only one thing that will stop prices for everything all over the world going up.

do you know what it is? It's called printing. When governments stop printing money
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Governments won't stop printing, the working class and rich who benefit from the handouts would hang the central bank chiefs by the toe nails if that happened!
Everyone wants free money!

Stopping the printing won't really effect the commodity shortages, we are getting a commodity shortage driven inflation, the money printing is adding a tail wind onto this depending how fast a currency is debased. There are almost 8 billion people out there!
 
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FoxEye said:
That wasn't even the bold claim. He said the global financial markets will collapse and we'll all experience hyperinflation, this year!
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Hyperinflation arrives a bit later!
We're starting to get big inflation like we haven't seen for around 50 years in the west.
There will likely be 3 phases and we're in the first right now then we move onto the next, each being higher.
 
Okay an UPDATE:

GPU Prices-
3090 £1800
3080ti £1400
6900xt £1500
3080 £1200
6800xt £1000
3070ti £870
6700xt £700
3060ti £600
3060 £550
6600xt £420

These are the lowest prices I found so average prices are higher.
GPU prices NO real change.

I believe we're in the first wave of inflation 2 more ahead with a small dip back after each one so you're looking at even HIGHER prices going forwards.

The 3090 is around £2000 at street prices which is crazy! Either the price is high OR your pound has SUDDENLY lost purchasing power sort of like instant inflation!

The Dow Jones Industrial Average is now at 35,515.38 which is also crazy! This is NOT going to keep going on for much longer!

The price of tin hits another record!

The price of beef, pork and poultry are all at crazy high prices! The shops don't don't seem to be passing this onto us but hey will have to at some point!

FASTEN THOSE SEAT BELTS PEOPLE ONLY JUST OVER 4 MONTHS TILL THE END OF THE YEAR! :D
 
Okay an another UPDATE:

GPU Prices-
3090 £2000
3080ti £1400
6900xt £1400
3080 £1200
6800xt £1100
3070ti £870
6700xt £700
3060ti £590
3060 £490
6600xt £420

These are the lowest prices I found for bargain basement models so average prices are much higher.
Some small drops of 50 or 100 pounds for bargain basement models.
DON'T use FE card data as not really significant.
3090 seems to have gone up to 2K for bargain basement models!
GPU average prices NO real change after another 5 weeks except increase on 3090.

There could be Food shortages soon!
Prices of oats and cooking oil are in world record territory!

Jim Rogers billionaire and trading legend has in the last few weeks said the US markets could crash soon just as I've been saying!
Here's an excerpt "Friday, August 27, 2021 - As you know, markets everywhere have been going through the roof. It has been unprecedented because
we have had so much money printing by central banks all over the world.
I am not good at market timing but I am sure it is going to come to an end some time in the next few months. This has never happened before."
You can read the full article on Jim Rogers blog if you want.

Hopefully both Jim and I are wrong as the huge amounts of funny money escaping the markets would go into commodities to avoid the inflation
and evaporation of paper wealth, so then no food in stock or other items as all this funny money that was parked in stocks suddenly tries to buy up
everything in sight!

When a 4080 launches a year or so from now we'll be still in the commodity shortage upcycle so expect a 1.5 or 2k price tag at real street prices.
 
Captain said:
We all know nvidia made a huge mistake pricing the 3080 at £649, I doubt we’ll see that sort of competitiveness again.

Expect the **80 range to start higher when the 4000 series cards are released.

I don’t think they’ll go mad like they did with the 2080Ti pricing but you never know.
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Maybe Nvidia priced it just about right at £649 and it was just unlucky for AMD/NVIDIA that the next commodities upcycle started at around the same time about a year ago.
 
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