Why is everything free for those on benefits?

Samtheman1k

Samtheman1k

Samtheman1k

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We've just bought a house, and have been looking at services provided by the council, these are:

Roof/wall insulation
Grant for solar energy
Wasp nest removal
Old fridge/freezer collection & disposal
Home emergency help
[council tax]

All these things are free if you are on benefits, but me, as a hard working citizen get nothing, despite paying £1500pa in council tax.

Eveything I have to pay for out of that list, and it really winds me up that layabouts can sit at home, watching their sky TV and get all this stuff for free. What incentive is there to work when you get everything free if you don't?

Grrrrr :mad:
 
Samtheman1k said:
We've just bought a house, and have been looking at services provided by the council, these are:

Roof/wall insulation
Grant for solar energy
Wasp nest removal
Old fridge/freezer collection & disposal
Home emergency help
[council tax]

All these things are free if you are on benefits, but me, as a hard working citizen get nothing, despite paying £1500pa in council tax.

Eveything I have to pay for out of that list, and it really winds me up that layabouts can sit at home, watching their sky TV and get all this stuff for free. What incentive is there to work when you get everything free if you don't?

Grrrrr :mad:
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HAHAHA They are laughing at yoooooooooooo!!!!
 
I agree, as far as I'm concerned you should not be allowed to sit about at home collecting dole money for more than 6 months. After that it should you be denied further benefits until you've held a job for at least 3 months

That includes flipping women who can't keep their legs closed and keep having kids to claim their benefits too.

It would not apply to those with genuine medical reasons why they cannot work.
 
Moses99p said:
But then there are people that sit at home all day everyday claim every benefit under the sun whilst watching Jeremy Kyle on ITV 1, 2, 3, and 4.

Its important to differentiate between them.
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Is he on ITV4? :eek: :eek: :eek: Is no ITV channel safe?

But yes, you are quite correct. People especially on internet forums fail to see some people are in genuine needs of benefits awarded. Still if it makes them feel better to have a rant, then so be it. :)
 
Whats the alternative, rebel against the system and take up arms? The systems crap and when the nation uproars the BBC go out and find someone who genuinally on benefits and for genuine needs and then they play that into our hearts to make us rethink. Then you get some unemployed idiot whose bored and stabs someone and then it makes the public rethink.

Only a few nations in Europe offer benefits and oddly the ones that do have lots of people seeking citizenship. Scrap the benefits and then it will fix other aspects but sadly I think its too late, what the government could do is lower tax the more years you are unemployed.

1st year of unemployment - no cut
2nd year of unemployment - 10%
3rd - 20%
4th - 30%
5th - 50% so on and so on.
 
I'm afraid I don't understand the benefits system at all.

From talking to some people who have claimed them, apparantly the benefits office tries everything it can to encourage those on benefits to go back to work.
How about stopping them for those who abuse the system? I think they'd go back to work when they had no food, or the Sky got cut off. :rolleyes:

But instead of doing nothing, they actually pay more to people on benefits than those who go back to a full time job! And plus you get all those services for free as the OP said, and if you have a couple of kids (which I think is disgraceful if you can't support them) then the council gives you even more money and shoves you to the top of the housing ladder!

I've said it in another thread, but as a student I have a part time job where I work just enough so that I don't have to pay ANY tax. I don't see why I should really, I don't agree with where the council/government spends it, so they're not getting a penny off me.
 
seaviewuk said:
Tried in a pilot scheme a few years back. Failed!

Local shops were exchanging them for fags and giving cash back on vouchers equivalent to 75% of the value.
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Should just fine the shops then. I see food vouchers (If working correctly) as the only way to help the problem. Benefits should go on food, heating and shelter, not fags, sky tv and the bookies.
 
chipperhead said:
Instead of giving people money to spend on sky tv, beer and fags etc. They should give them a much reduced payment and food vouchers.
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Aye, food vouchers would be a good idea and crack down on rogue shops as mentioned above.

If you made them redeemable only at major supermarkets, that would solve the problem.

Course then you'd need the '10 Dole Vouchers or Less' queues.
 
seaviewuk said:
Tried in a pilot scheme a few years back. Failed!

Local shops were exchanging them for fags and giving cash back on vouchers equivalent to 75% of the value.
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Why is that a failure? If they would rather smoke 20 marlboro than have dinner, then that is fine with me.
 
Samtheman1k said:
Why is that a failure? If they would rather smoke 20 marlboro than have dinner, then that is fine with me.
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Of course it's a failure! By definition food vouchers are for food.

But like you I don't care what they are spent on. :)

I just laugh at all the rants about SKY TV, fags, booze etc etc.

Yes there are shirkers out there but the system has always been abused and always will be abused by them.

I just get on and pay my taxes. :) Or not ;) It's good to have a decent accountant :D
 
Just give all the people on unemployment fag vouchers, they can smoke themself to death and hopefully starve out before they further reproduce filthy smelly kids in tracksuit bottoms with rat tail harcuts.
 
if they are that bad, how can you reasonably expect someone to choose to employ them?

then you have a spiralling issue where people dont want to work because they can claim benefits. they know if they can make themselves seem unemployable then they can continue to claim and not work:/
 
Moses99p said:
I do think its pathetic when people spend their benfits on fags, alcohol, sky, microwave meals etc then complain they have no money.

But I also think its quite pathetic to judge anyone that claims benefits,

"and if you have a couple of kids (which I think is disgraceful if you can't support them)"

I was brought up, along with my two brothers, on a council estate by my single mother. She had to get benefits to look after us, and started working as soon as we started at school. This wasn't through any fault of her own, it was because my father was a bit of a ****. But she brought us up well and we all got into the local grammar school etc.
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In which case she could support you, and the system was used in the way it should - i.e as a help when someone has fallen on "hard times". As soon as it was feasible, then she moved back into a job.

I was actually more referring to the mothers who have kids for the sake of "this will help me to the top of the benefits ladder" or "this will get me a bit more money" - this is an utterly disgraceful way of thinking and IMO, is nothing but child neglect.
 
Moses99p said:
But I also think its quite pathetic to judge anyone that claims benefits,

"and if you have a couple of kids (which I think is disgraceful if you can't support them)"

I was brought up, along with my two brothers, on a council estate by my single mother. She had to get benefits to look after us, and started working as soon as we started at school. This wasn't through any fault of her own, it was because my father was a bit of a ****. But she brought us up well and we all got into the local grammar school etc.
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fair enough that she started working again afterwards, but why did she put herself in that position anyway? if the father was a **** then why did she choose to have 3 kids with him as the father?

i know that things can change, but i see a lot of women who are seemingly happy to follow this example and end up in a council house as a single mum.
 
Samtheman1k said:
We've just bought a house, and have been looking at services provided by the council, these are:

Roof/wall insulation
Grant for solar energy
Wasp nest removal
Old fridge/freezer collection & disposal
Home emergency help
[council tax]

All these things are free if you are on benefits, but me, as a hard working citizen get nothing, despite paying £1500pa in council tax.

Eveything I have to pay for out of that list, and it really winds me up that layabouts can sit at home, watching their sky TV and get all this stuff for free. What incentive is there to work when you get everything free if you don't?

Grrrrr :mad:
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Well you would expect your landlord to pay for the upkeep of a place that you rented wouldn't you?
It's all part of being able to afford to get a mortgage and getting a foot on the property ladder.
Our council will collect all large items(freezers,sofas etc.) for free as it stops people dumping them and they can recycle some of it. They only charge a small ammount for pest control as well
 
You're assuming everyone on benefits that's at home during the days is unemployed....not always the case.

What about those who are disabled and simply can't work? They're on benefits, but it doesn't make them lazy beer drinking fag smoking layabouts!
 
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