Why join the army

@if ®afiq said:
Nope - if you look at the first quote it is referreing to splitting the World up into X, Y and Z and then belieiving the X, Y or Z is superior and then trying to impose this superiority onto others. This is something that Islam forbids.
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I didn't say that Islam split people down national lines, it splits people down political lines and acheives exactly what you have decried.

I fail to see how you claim equality within Islam... are you equal to a non-believer? If there is equality, why can Muslim women not marry non-Muslim men?
 
cleanbluesky said:
I didn't say that Islam split people down national lines, it splits people down political lines and acheives exactly what you have decried.
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I would ask how but then this would continue to go OT.

cleanbluesky said:
II fail to see how you claim equality within Islam... are you equal to a non-believer?
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I don't see why not. "All are equal before God except in piety" and anyone can be pious.

cleanbluesky said:
If there is equality, why can Muslim women not marry non-Muslim men?
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The issue of continuation arises. If they have children - will they be Muslim or non? etc. The same would be for a Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim women. If I married a Christian, I would do so only if our children would be bought up as Muslims, otherwise I would not.
 
@if ®afiq said:
I don't see why not. "All are equal before God except in piety" and anyone can be pious.
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A nice soundbite, although this does not hold true with ideas of obedience and authority, between husband and spouse and between men.

When we post negative phrases, you often talk of context... what is the context of your quote when there are also so many negative comments about non-believers within the Koran?

The issue of continuation arises. If they have children - will they be Muslim or non? etc. The same would be for a Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim women. If I married a Christian, I would do so only if our children would be bought up as Muslims, otherwise I would not.
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Indeed - and what is wrong with not believing in Islam? Would it not be better to allow your children freedom of belief?

Are such freedoms not values you aspire to?
 
cleanbluesky said:
A nice soundbite, although this does not hold true with ideas of obedience and authority, between husband and spouse and between men.
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The "soundbite" is from the Prophets Last Sermon

cleanbluesky said:
Indeed - and what is wrong with not believing in Islam?
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Nothing - that's your choice to make.

cleanbluesky said:
Would it not be better to allow your children freedom of belief?
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I believe Islam provides that best answer to living your life here and in the hereafter and so I will bring up my children as Muslims. Wheter or not they remian Muslims is up to them.

cleanbluesky said:
Are such freedoms not values you aspire to?
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When they are old enough to make up their mind they can do whatever pleases them.

How would you bring up your children without imposing your values on them?

How would you feel if your children chose Islam? As much as you hate it - would you let them be?
 
jpmonkey69 said:
Did you know that food and accomodation is very very cheap for someone in the army? Of course it's hardly The Ritz, but if you're living somewhere with a good pound to local currency rate, it also works out that what you get paid is worth more.

Also, if you're in a war zone you get paid extra "danger" money, if you're stationed abroad, you get extra money too. I'd say a regular signalman living and stationed in Germany has more money to spend/spare at the end of the month than me earning over 35k in the UK.
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How did you work that out? A signalman, on top whack, Level 4 high pay band pulls around 20K. Take away all standard decductions (Tax, NI etc) and then his food and accom (depending on grade of quarters could be 2k per year). Even adding his overseas allowances won't make it on par with your figure.

Danger money no, no such thing. A Tax allowance for being on Ops yes, and seperated service allowance is payed, but taxable.
 
Guardsman baker is ordering this thread back on track :)

I came home today from work and my grandparents gave me a paper cloth and said theres 2 black lumps at the bottom of my bed, so i naturally thought dog poo. I was pleasently suprised that it was running shoes, which is also telling me that theyve accepted me that i wanna join the army so im chuffed :)

I want to have an infantry role in the coldstream guards so ill be a basic rifleman. But as i progress i could be trained as a sniper which would be cool or even mortar like my old man :)
 
I noticed you have spent quite along time on CS. Just remember there are no respawn points in the army.

It had to be done.
 
Chasser said:
How did you work that out? A signalman, on top whack, Level 4 high pay band pulls around 20K. Take away all standard decductions (Tax, NI etc) and then his food and accom (depending on grade of quarters could be 2k per year). Even adding his overseas allowances won't make it on par with your figure.

Danger money no, no such thing. A Tax allowance for being on Ops yes, and seperated service allowance is payed, but taxable.
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I worked it out as like for like as I could... the amount I have to pay for my accomodation / bills / food / car (including petrol) / entertainment / beer is a lot more than my cousin.

His food + accomodation is cheap, diesel costs a lot less less in Germany, and is more economical t run a car on. His pay is worth more in Germany than it is in the UK (where I am based) because of the exchange rate and general cost of living.

Now obviously the standard of living is different, but that's not what I was comparing... I was comparing the amount of money we have left at the end of the month.

I was wrong about the danger money though, my mistake. :)
 
CookieRocks said:
They chose to join the Army, they chose to be ordered around.

Hardly like they were conscripted.
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Yes, they chose to join the Army, and as part of that they would understand they have no say over where they are sent, but the distinction I made is clear. There is a difference between choosing to go somewhere and being ordered there.

I am fairly sure the majority of servicemen and women currently serving in Iraq and the 'stan would much rather be ordered to Bulford say, or Germany :p
 
bakes0310 said:
To see the world
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Work and get a job and save to travel, you won't see the world in the army just certain parts and it won't be pretty.

bakes0310 said:
To do my part in protecting this great country
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Become a builder, fill the channel tunnel with cement and build a barbwire fence around the country

bakes0310 said:
To be a better person whos disciplined and a real man
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Buy a book on bettering yourself and move out.
 
everyone i know whos been in the army wishes they stayed in there longer as they really do miss it. So that says something to me about being in the army is a ok place to work.
I went running this morning with my new shoes done about 5-6 miles and they felt lovely compared to my heavy trainers.
 
bakes0310 said:
everyone i know whos been in the army wishes they stayed in there longer as they really do miss it. So that says something to me about being in the army is a ok place to work.
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To me it suggests that being dumped on civvy street with no skills and no savings is no picnic......
 
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