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Will Israel Attack Iran?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Castiel, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. Craterloads

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    Egypt’s Mubarak was a American stooge, had peace treaties with Israel. The Muslim brotherhood is not and is worse off for Israel. The military is intact.

    Libya's Gadhafi was anti Al-Qaeda and other Muslim groups. The current leadership are pro Hamas and weapons from Libya have been flowing into Gaza.

    Syria is the only one on that list that makes sense since Assad is aligned with Iran.
     
  2. clv101

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    Bingo, points to kwerk.
     
  3. kwerk

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    It would be a "controlled burn" of sorts, instead of a surprise military coup in those places right at the worst time for Israel, followed by a bunch of scuds or whatever getting launched at them. The west was supplying the rebels with weapons and there is CIA all over the place, look at the Benghazi thing. There's speculation (after comments from Petraus' msitress) it was a little CIA prison. And remember stuxnet? It's CIA/Mossad's job to do that stuff.

    There was a story last week that the nuclear facilities are too deep to air strike and their only option is sending ground troops.

    http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=291295
     
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  4. Xordium

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    Kwerk's argument was to presenting the US showing 4-5 times the amount of the other leading military spending nations. However on GDP they are most spend twice more which considering their remit is more than understandable. That is misleading and also a hangover from the Cold War and something that is in decline. Everyone was quite happy to have all those expensive battlegroups floating around the Atlantic to protect the GIUK gap and all those tanks parked near the Fulda Gap when we had a perceived need. Don't forget it was the UK who pushed for that actual resistance and wanted to take action there and then. Did you seriously expect them to neatly mothball the lot as soon as the Berlin Wall came down. Surely you understand decommissioning takes time :confused: Why not look at the facts the US military budgets have been and are being slashed, carrier groups reduced, new material projects discontinued. But hey that wouldn't support the anti-American prejudice would it.

    To then say $ spent = effectiveness is also rather naive. Who do you think can fulfill their strategic aims the best: country 1 with 1 x F22 or country 2 with 10000 basic infantry armed with AK-74s. Which is what the whole asymmetric warfare model is about. The military is there for to fulfill the strategic aims of the government. When those aims have to planned for so far in advance and are as committal and all-encompassing as the USAs was for the last 70 odd years then what do you seriously expect. That and the need to support an infrastructure across an ocean compared to local logistics afforded to the Chinese and Russians easily explains the amount they spend as a component of their GDP. The notion of Lichenstein not winning any wars with that amount of money is misguided and belies an ignorance of what is at hand. The goal for the military is to fulfill strategic objectives not win wars. Those objectives may include winning wars but their are far great stipulations and subtleties than that. If Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Holland, Belgium, Austria and Switzerland were to combine tomorrow to form a new country would you shout them down for their expenditure even if they carried on their same isolationist policies?
     
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  5. Twirlywoos

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  6. Xordium

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    I am sure they are bricking themselves being as they have been contending with Izz al-Din al-Qassam for quite some time who have actually demonstrated the ability to take down sites properly. Moreover, considering Israel is the most likely candidate for the origin of Flame and Stuxnet I think they won't be unduly bothered.
     
  7. B&W

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    Yeah Israel is very good at net based warfare, so I don't think they will be too worried. However some individual hackers do have great talent.
     
  8. zoomee

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    Apparantly a cease-fire has been agreed. :rolleyes:

    What worries me though is this video recently uploaded showing the protests taking place in Israel currently. More worrying is the prime-minister-to-be's (Michael Ben-Ari) words!!

     
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  9. bertles86

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    Not sure that the cease fire will last long after reading this....
     
  10. Xordium

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    Strange how that wasn't a suicide attack.
     
  11. B&W

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    They must be the Jewish version of al qaeda, it gets far worse when you read moderate israeli websites alot of moderates apparently support war on gaza
     
  12. zoomee

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  13. RDM

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  14. zoomee

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  15. Noughtboy

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    The people who wrote this are morons. The people wh9o quote this...

    Let me highlight one specific example:

    "And to this day the logic applies. As As’ad AbuKhalil*wrote on 14 November, ‘In a few weeks, Israel bombed Sudan, bombed Syria, and bombed Palestine and kidnapped a Lebanese shepherd’. Israeli threats towards Iran are also symptomatic of the role of the state referred to by Noam Chomsky as the ‘Middle East Policeman’."

    As mentioned somewhere in the thread previously, Israel bombed the factories In Sudan that were making the missles being fired into their country. The lesser of the 2 evils verses an invasion wouldn't you agree. Pity Hamas couldn't take the hint.

    The "bombing" of Syria was as a result of repeated attacks on Israeli positions in the Golan Heights. I dont know anything about the Lebanese shepherd and honestly cannot be a**ed to find out. I dont remember exactly how many of the Gazan's killed were militants but you would assume that it was only women and 40 children.Pffft. Whilst I believe the BBC is actually biased the opposite way to what this tripe suggests, Stopwar should turn the mirror on their "jounalistic" integrity and face the facts that firstly Stopwar are morons and secondly biased morons.

    I posit that Morsi has been losing support at home and in a bid to bolster his popularity, he has allowed the buildup of rockets through Egyptian borders which directly led to the intensification of the rockets ( apologies to Craterloads or Zoomee who believe they are actually fireworks posing as rockets) which directly led to the Israeli retaliation.

    Morsi is also trying to earn his keep for the $1.3bn in US military aid Egypt gets so he can now step in and broker a cease fire to a tragedy he helped along and try reap the kudos from both sides - from Hamas for supporting them and from the Western Powers that he was instrumental in the cease fire. Of course, the Egyptians love that Israel was attacked, that they responded with force that killed Gazans and that Egypt flexed it's muscles.

    Carpe Diem and all that.
     
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  16. Xordium

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    Might want to star that out fully Noughtboy or you'll get a holiday.
     
  17. The Running Man

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    I saw this crop up on QT last night. They were all talking about a process and dialogue.

    But seriously what dialogue can there be for at least for Israel to leave Gaza. Israel don't Want to leave. What argument or consessioncould hamas possibly raise to get Israel to pull out and abandon the illegal settlements.

    Only if the us or UN simply tell Israel they must pull out and force them to do so reverting to 1967 lines.

    Israel have no incentive to pull out. They must be forced. The attacks on Israel won't stop until this is done.

    What political process do we have to make our politicians commit to taking real action as opposed to trying to get an indirect peace process moving as the current plan is not working.
     
  18. Noughtboy

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    I will think you will find by reading up on it that Israel actually pulled out of Gaza a few years back. You need to reword it that the attacks on Israel have not stopped even after this was done.
     
  19. Paul11

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    the attacks on Israel started long before it had taken any land. Israel was attacked soon after its creation and only took that land to be able to protect itself

    certain parts of the region do not accept Israel and its right to exist and no amount of returning land will make a difference

    infact, the irony is that if you look at a map of all the Arab countries around Israel and the HUGE amount of land that they own, compared to israel and its tiny little size. Saying that its only being attacked because it took some insignificant amount of land, is just wrong

    i would bet, giving back the land would not solve the hatred.
     
  20. zoomee

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    Lest you forget, Israel was created by force by a load of jewish terrorists. So what do you expect......

    Insignificant amount of land? - guess you missed this poster somewhere along the lines:

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