Will Nvidia be selling 7nm graphic cards in 2019?

[melmac]

I am of the opinion that the reason Nvidia brought out the 2080Ti so early in this generation of cards, after years of honing a strategy that was making them a fortune, is because Turing is going to be short lived. They simply won't have time to release a Ti card 8 months after the x80 card like the last few years. Because by that time there might be rumours of the 7nm cards coming.

I think they are farther along with their 7nm part than anyone realises and that's where all the confusion in naming was coming from between Ampere and Turing. The 7nm cards will be called Ampere. I am guessing a year from now We will be discussing the new cards.

This is all just conjecture on my part But, I think it's pretty solid reasoning.

 

[ltron]

If the performance is there people will pay it.

Exactly, if AMD had a card worthy of being £1100 then I would not hesitate in getting it over the Nvidia equivalent. Although I suspect if there was this level of competition then both cards would be significantly cheaper.

 

[DarrenM343]

Exactly, if AMD had a card worthy of being £1100 then I would not hesitate in getting it over the Nvidia equivalent. Although I suspect if there was this level of competition then both cards would be significantly cheaper.

I agree with that. I think AMD need to and are moving away from the "much cheapness" approach. Problem with simply undercutting the competition is that there's probably less money in it and many see it was an underdog situation. You get what you pay for with most things in life. The 2990WX is a beast of a CPU and a beast of a price while still being better in many ways that Intel's offerings while also beng compeititly priced still. That's where they need to be.

 

[jigger]

I don't think so. In some ways Nvidia is stronger than Intel. Intel only have another 30% more market cap than Nvidia and lets not forget everything Intel are involved in (CPU;s SSD's, now GPU's etc etc). If AMD gain on further Intel, NV could in the next few years have a higher market cap than either. From memory NV is something like $169billion and intel are around $220billion. Amd is around $24billion.
I think Intel will struggle with GPU's, personally. Lets not forget they've had a go at dedicated GPU's before. With AMD at their heels, they need to be concentrating more on their CPU's too.
Despite AMD's revitalised shareprice, they're still a company that struggles to turn their technology into cash.
Should NV enter the CPU business too? I reckon they could probably take a good fight to both AMD and Intel in that area too, if they wanted to. And as much as I like the revitalised AMD, they're still a weakling compared to Nvidia and Intel.

Obviously the money is in CPU's and Nvidia have no chance to enter the market and become a serious force. AMD and Intel could pull a lot of rugs from under Nvidia and really hurt that share price.

 

[jigger]

Exactly, if AMD had a card worthy of being £1100 then I would not hesitate in getting it over the Nvidia equivalent. Although I suspect if there was this level of competition then both cards would be significantly cheaper.

£1100 for graphics card is a non starter for most people. It's a niche market product at that price. Any £1100 card would have to offer me a lot regardless of the financial position I'm in.

 

[JediFragger]

nVidia can do it because they have the marketshare, AMD couldn't because they'd probably only sell a £1100 graphics card in the hundreds (if that many).

 

[DarrenM343]

Obviously the money is in CPU's and Nvidia have no chance to enter the market and become a serious force. AMD and Intel could pull a lot of rugs from under Nvidia and really hurt that share price.

And Intel and nv could have closed AMD up by now and still could even. AMD has history of stepping ahead then falling way behind. Fingers crossed they do well however. And worth noting that I have an interest in NV and AMD doing well .

 

[KillBoY_UK]

I agree with that. I think AMD need to and are moving away from the "much cheapness" approach. Problem with simply undercutting the competition is that there's probably less money in it and many see it was an underdog situation. .

That has worked well for them in the past, look the the HD5XXX and HD4xxx cards, much smaller dies cheaper cards and it the market before the Bigger hotter more power hungry, but still offering 90% of the performance. It what made me dump a GTX280 for a couple of HD 5850 direct CU's

 

[X-Mikuru_Beam-X]

I read recently that Microsoft plan to include the hardware within the XBox Live subscription.



Titans do not have part of the chip disabled, although this could be due to yield.

I understand what you’re saying, but Ti was always about Titan level performance at a price that was manageable.

Now they’re charging well over a thousand quid for it, it no longer represents what a Ti meant for most people... it’s a Titan level price tag and out of reach for all but a handful of rich gamers.

My point is regardless of what is and isn’t enabled on the chip, the Ti is now positioned where Titan was.

I had £900 ready to go the day of the announcement and I had to put my card straight back in my wallet... when £900 isn’t enough to be considered an enthusiast something is seriously wrong.

 

[jigger]

nVidia can do it because they have the marketshare, AMD couldn't because they'd probably only sell a £1100 graphics card in the hundreds (if that many).

The graphics card market is pretty distorted right now. Nvidia have done well from the mining market, and I think that has made the accountants in the firm a little giddy.

 

[ltron]

£1100 for graphics card is a non starter for most people. It's a niche market product at that price. Any £1100 card would have to offer me a lot regardless of the financial position I'm in.

I should have been clearer, I'm not making a judgement on the price. My point was Nvidia cannot command a higher price just because they're Nvidia, I base my purchasing decisions on who has the best product not the brand.

 

[jjgreenwood]

nVidia can do it because they have the marketshare, AMD couldn't because they'd probably only sell a £1100 graphics card in the hundreds (if that many).

********, if they had a better performing card with better thermals at that price point then they would sell them. Nobody cares about brand

 

[Troezar]

I understand what you’re saying, but Ti was always about Titan level performance at a price that was manageable.

Now they’re charging well over a thousand quid for it, it no longer represents what a Ti meant for most people... it’s a Titan level price tag and out of reach for all but a handful of rich gamers.

My point is regardless of what is and isn’t enabled on the chip, the Ti is now positioned where Titan was.

I had £900 ready to go the day of the announcement and I had to put my card straight back in my wallet... when £900 isn’t enough to be considered an enthusiast something is seriously wrong.

Spot on. Higher end gaming is now only for adults with very well paid occupations. There's no way the kids are buying into anything above low end 1080p. Low end is looking like £300! Obviously not counting the ones with rich parents.

As for brand I know a lot of people that wouldn't touch AMD at any price. Then again they wouldn't shop at Aldi or drive a Skoda either!

 

[Nate75]

As for brand I know a lot of people that wouldn't touch AMD at any price. Then again they wouldn't shop at Aldi or drive a Skoda either!

There are some odd people out there!

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Thoughts on the 2019 market?

Didn't Jensen say recently that there would be no next-gen GPUs for a very long time? Oh, wait a minute...

The RTX £1k+ market will be milked dry before there's any sniff of 7nm cards, even if those cards are assembled and packaged and ready to go. And let's be honest, the RTX cards were sitting in the warehouse when Jensen made that statement back in June.

 

[Sampsy]

I've read that TSMC are sampling 7nm already, and going mass production for 2019 with 20 (?) customers lined up inc AMD and Nvidia?

It's guessed that Apple will be the first customer

But from what I've read Intel have had problems, but TSMC haven't?

I believe TSMC are already in mass production of 7nm and that the new iphones will likely be the first products using it.

 

[Kaapstad]

Will Nvidia be selling 7k graphic cards in 2019?

Just fixed the title of the thread and the answer is yes.

 

[Troezar]

There are some odd people out there!

Indeed, I think it's just basic wiring like some vote right others vote left. As long as we all agree to live and let live I'm fine with it

 

[Strife212]

As for brand I know a lot of people that wouldn't touch AMD at any price. Then again they wouldn't shop at Aldi or drive a Skoda either!

Comparing AMD to Aldi is ridiculous, AMD/ATI processors and cards used to absolutely trounce Intel/nVidia ones many years ago. If it returned to that situation then it would be nVidia who are Aldi.

 

[Rroff]

AMD/ATI processors and cards used to absolutely trounce Intel/nVidia ones many years ago

When? aside from the FX series and a brief period between the 200 and 400 series when AMD got the 5000 series out ahead of them nVidia have always been atleast competitive with ATI/AMD.