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Will you be buying a Radeon VII?

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Gregster, Jan 10, 2019.

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Will you be buying a Radeon VII?

  1. Yes

    8.0%
  2. No

    50.3%
  3. Will wait for more info on pricing/performance

    41.7%
  1. arc@css

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    And the 980Ti too. ;)
     
  2. Satchfanuk

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    You're spot on with this. AMD would have been nuts to throw away all these 'failed' Instinct chips and HBM. An opportunity presented itself when Nvidia priced Turing so high where AMD could sell these very expensive parts.

    Any money AMD can make (or save) by selling these is better than chucking it in the bin. The fact it is a single card and not a Vega56/64 replacement backs up the salvage part theory.
     
  3. Gregster

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    Can't argue with that. I do love my UW screen but paid £1400 for it and that is mental when you consider you can get a 55" OLED for a little more (last time I checked).

    Also not helping me is gaming time and how little I do when I get it now. Nothing is sticking out for me and the only 2 games that have me a little excited are Anthem and TD2
     
  4. Darujhistan

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    How good the cards actually are has almost become irrelevant, red or green, the prices are just so crazy the old tiers have doubled in price from just a few years ago. As someone said earlier the AAA games market is fubar, pre-order culture, early access, PTW, micro transactions, season passes, games-as-a-service, always online, empty open worlds where rather than be entertained you're left in a sandbox paying for the privegae of doing 'busy work', loot boxes, gated content, unfinished games with game modes marked *coming soon, pub/devs unwilling to make SP games and so forth. I haven't bought a AAA for years and won't be doing so until things change.

    I'll possibly upgrade once more and that will be it I think. I'll certainly be buying a PS5.
     
  5. D.P.

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    60CUs, so less than Vega64, when we know the chip has 64CU shows it is salvage part, plus being able to sell it at all for $700 when it likely cost near enough $700 to make.



    It would be interesting if Nvidia knocks $100 off the 2080 (and $150-200 off the 2080ti). Would AMD be able to justify a price match.
     
  6. ICDP

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    I have tried explaining this to some on other forums. It is a cut down Radeon Instict card and as such cannot by design take less VRAM or different VRAM to reduce consts. I belive AMD would never have released Vega 7nm to consumers if Nvidia had sensible pricing on 20x0 GPUs.
     
  7. JediFragger

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    For sure! Mate is running one with an Acer 1440p Gsync monitor (2500k too) and happy as a pig in **** :D
     
  8. LePhuronn

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    But that's not what Navi is about. Navi was always suggested to be a tiny chip focussed squarely and purely at the midrange market facing off everything RTX 2070 and down. That approach was given further credence by the AdoredTV leaks with naming convention, performance point and price.

    And if roadmaps are still on track, everything is reset with Arcturus in about 20 months, so I can't see Navi getting the "big" treatment as it will just be a sidegrade from the Radeon 7, albeit at a lower price point.
     
  9. Killer7xx

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    I don't know about that unless they increase perf/core quite a bit. Nvidia has better perf/core and they're still going with more cores than Vega for their high end parts. It's easier for them to increase cores than increase perf/core.

    I think Navi will definitely bring more efficiency into GCN in terms of memory compression and better perf/core, but AMD will have to bring it past that current 64 CU/4096 core limit if they want to beat the 2080Ti in overall performance.
     
  10. LePhuronn

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    As I posted a few moments before this, this is not what Navi is about. I don't even think GCN is capable of matching or beating the 2080 Ti, which is why Arcturus is a brand new architecture.
     
  11. Killer7xx

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    The mid range Navi that will launch first will definitely be a smaller chip, but they are also rumoured to launch a high end Navi towards the end of the year or this time next year. That should be a direct competitor to the likes of the RTX 2080 and 2080Ti and maybe even the Titan RTX.
     
  12. tyler_jrb

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    I’m interested in seeing how it turns out, to see if we have some competition. But with having a 2080Ti already it won’t be something I’ll be changing to so no won’t be buying one myself.
     
  13. Kaapstad

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    No

    The point you tried to defend was the bandwidth was needed on the Radeon VII because of the FP64 performance.

    I pointed out that the Titan V has better FP64 performance despite having a lot less memory bandwidth.

    The argument has nothing to do with price and everything to do with you making a mistake and trying to cover it up.
     
  14. 4K8KW10

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    I never argued about the memory bandwidth. It is a result of using four HBM2s. If they use two, the bandwidth will be half. If they use four but with half the capacity, the bandwidth will remain the same.
     
  15. arc@css

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    ;)
     
  16. Kaapstad

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    No

    You posted screenshots of the Radeon VII and RTX Titan FP64 performance to defend the fact that the former card needed the very high memory bandwidth.

    All I did was post a screenshot of the Titan V FP64 performance which is even higher despite using less memory bandwidth.

    Man up you got one wrong.
     
  17. dragonslayer

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    The thing im most impressed with is the fact that it's only taken AMD 3/4 months to release a 2080 competitive card which is a huge success compared to Vega
     
  18. Kaapstad

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    Having had time to think about it I may get a Radeon VII but it won't be on launch day. If I get one it will most likely be a Strix, Nitro or equivalent when they are available in good numbers.

    The move to 7nm is interesting and trying the tech out first hand could be fun.
     
  19. LePhuronn

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    The only thing I've ever heard about a "Big" Navi was in the Navi AdoredTV video when Jim said his source had "seen a Big Navi running and it was impressive". And there's been nothing else. And why would a Big Navi wait until mid 2020 when that's when Arcturus is expected?

    It's possible the Radeon 7 is the start of a new pattern: AMD's current gen is built to the max to cover the top tier with the new architecture starting small to cover the midrange. So Radeon 7 covers off the 2080 now, Navi 10 covers 2070 and down. Then Navi 20 replaces the Radeon 7 at the top around this time next year with new Arcturus chips replacing Navi 10 later on. A year later there's a big Arcturus and Arcturus+ comes in.

    Who knows.

    We'll see how things pan out come Computex. If there's not talk of Navi in June then I'd be a bit worried about what's going on.
     
  20. Kaapstad

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    I would take anything on AdoredTV with a very big pinch of salt.

    After listening to his predictions for Turing with a big bit of help from a source I think he made a bit of a fool of himself.