Women say some rape victims should take blame

[Things change I've changed]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8515592.stm

A majority of women believe some rape victims should take responsibility for what happened, a survey suggests.

Almost three-quarters of women said if a rape victim got into bed with the assailant before an attack they should accept some responsibility.

One-third blamed victims who had dressed provocatively or gone back to the attacker's house for a drink.

The survey of more than 1,000 people in London marked the 10th anniversary of the Haven service for rape victims.

Less forgiving

More than half of those of both sexes questioned said there were some circumstances when a rape victim should accept responsibility for an attack.

The study found that women were less forgiving of the victim than men.

Some 71% of women thought a person should accept responsibility when getting into bed with someone, compared with 57% of men.

The survey also found more than one in 10 people were unsure whether they would report being raped to the police, and 2% said they would definitely not do so.

The main reasons were being too embarrassed or ashamed (55%), wanting to forget it had happened (41%) and not wanting to go to court (38%).

Hardening attitudes

The online survey, titled Wake Up To Rape, polled 1,061 people aged 18 to 50, comprising 712 women and 349 men.

An Amnesty International report five years ago found that a significant minority of British people laid the blame for rape at victims themselves.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw says this latest study suggests attitudes may have hardened.

And the findings may help explain why juries are reluctant to convict in some rape trials.

Not sure I agree tbh, I can understand that some women may lead guys on by way of flirting or dressing provocatively etc but even still I don't think that should mean that they should be even partially responsible for being raped, end of the day if someone says no then that's it regardless.

 

[Maccy]

I was reading an article about this in the Metro this morning, seemed to be some shocking results in there, very similar/the same to this article.

 

[JBuk]

It depends on th individual situation, for instance , a woman who takes a man back to her place then ends up in bed with him but ultimately says no to sex is not doing herself any favours

 

[Stuff]

a woman who takes a man back to her place then ends up in bed with him but ultimately says no to sex is not doing herself any favours

QTF

 

[Cyanide]

It depends on th individual situation, for instance , a woman who takes a man back to her place then ends up in bed with him but ultimately says no to sex is not doing herself any favours

Or someone who says no half way through

 

[^TANK^]

No means no!

 

[Stuff]

Or someone who says no half way through

Does that count?

 

[Things change I've changed]

QTF

Really?, so in that instance your saying that if a women takes a guy home, she's a bit drunk etc, been flirting with said chap all night, but then changes her mind at the last minute, maybe she realises it's not something that she actually wants to do or whatever, but the man proceeds to rape her then you beleive that the women in question should take some responsibility for that rape ?

 

[anything I don't mind]

These studies are always non sense.

Rape is NEVER the victims fault. that is the end of it. If they want to get 1000 rapists and ask them who is to blame then sure they will say the victim.

I remember last time they said cannabis leads to scizophrenia i researched their "study" and found that they were actually asking mental patients if they ever smoked cannabis and that was the study.

it does not matter how you dance, how you dress, the blame for rape is on the rapist. No matter who the victim is, whether they think the victim is a terrorist and the rapists where nice shiny uniforms with badges that say British transport police. They are still rapists....

These sorts of studies make it into the media via common purpose and are attacks on the victims of rape. They release these sorts of press releases as there are evil rapists that have control high up within the government and media and police. but no one wants to believe that...

 

[Musty Pie]

I dont in anyway condone rape what so ever, but a lot of women do lead guys on and "cry wolf" a lot of the time. And its always the guys that seem to suffer at the hands of some seriously twisted and evil women

 

[Stuff]

Really?, so in that instance your saying that if a women takes a guy home, she's a bit drunk etc, been flirting with said chap all night, but then changes her mind at the last minute, maybe she realises it's not something that she actually wants to do or whatever, but the man proceeds to rape her then you beleive that the women in question should take some responsibility for that rape ?

Not at all. I'm saying, as the OP said, it's not doing her any favours. I don't believe it's the victims fault at all.

 

[bledd]

No means no!

This!

 

[Dolph]

Why does this surprise anyone? It is no different to the expectations around other crimes that there are measures you can take to reduce risk, and things you can do that will increase the risk of being a victim.

We hold people accountable for raising their risks for other crimes, why not these ones?

 

[Cyanide]

Does that count?

Of course it does. You could be seconds away from finishing yourself off but if she says no you have to stop or it's rape.

 

[jp_bl_68]

These studies are always non sense.

Rape is NEVER the victims fault. that is the end of it.

I'm not sure what the law currently says about what constitutes rape but here's a story from last year http://www.metro.co.uk/news/598172-chef-cleared-of-too-drunk-to-consent-rape. The accused was charged with rape because the woman was alleged to be too drunk to consent. He was found not guilty.

In a case like that the woman must take some responsibility for her actions.

 

[JBuk]

Of course it does. You could be seconds away from finishing yourself off but if she says no you have to stop or it's rape.

It's hard enough to stop if you're going solo never mind with a hot woman

 

[Cyanide]

It's hard enough to stop if you're going solo never mind with a hot woman

Pull out and finish on her stomach/boobs, 'tis the only way to avoid jail and it's a fair compromise

 

[britboy4321]

If the women goes down on the man, then they start having consensual sex for the second time that night, then three quarters of the way in she suddenly says 'I've changed my mind because I can't be bothered, let's watch TV instead' and the man quickly 'finishes off' - is the women entirely 100% blameless? Should the man be locked up for 25 years with the paedos for doing such a thing?


I also went out with a girl one time that had a 'rape fantasy'. She was a mentalist, mind.

 

[Dinomania]

Well, consider this, you're in bed with a girl and she changes her mind.

So, you stop.

Maybe you manage to coax her into it anyway, but what level of coaxing is going too far?

You could probably imagine that you could talk and wheedle your way in, but you'll likely be left with a very used-feeling, regretful and upset woman.

Anything further than that (getting her to change her mind with threats or plain just pinning her down) is clearly rape.

I mean no, it's not great for a man to be led on like that - but 'no' is 'no'.

 

[jp_bl_68]

Pull out and finish on her stomach/boobs, 'tis the only way to avoid jail and it's a fair compromise

lol