Work in progress: 620ti Of Doom!

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Right, I thought it was finally time to consoldate all work on the Ti in one thread. :)

Intro

For those who don't know, the 620ti uses a 197bhp Straight 4 turbocharged engine, front wheel drive with LSD, and is regarded as handling well for a luxobarge. More infos: Parker's Specifications

Basically, I got the car at the beginning of June from an MG enthusiast who is well known, based in Gloucester. He has 3 620tis, but wanted to downsize his collection... so I got a PM from him when I posted asking about quicker options than the 420 diesel.

The pic in the ad:
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Scouting round for insurance was fun - after calling several companies, exhausting all the search engines I had 2 companies that would insure me, probably due to me being 20 and the car coming under Group 17!

Taking Ownership

So I trotted down after work one day... finished at 4.30 and bombed down to take a look. Lovely chap, very knowledgeable and more than happy to explain any issues with the car. So I spend a couple of hours there, arrange a deposit, and pop back up 'Norf (Got back at about 1.30am when up at 6.30am next day! :D)

About a week later, I went to go and pick it up... in my mate's Proton Compact. 3 hours sat with no air con on one of the hottest days this year... that was fun! :p

Weak alternators

The 620ti, when fitted with aircon as mine was, is known for alternator issues. These stem from the placement of the exhaust manifold in relation to this - the two are about an inch apart at the closest, so it doesn't half soak up a lot of heat when in traffic etc.

Anyway, while in Oxford on an OcUK meet, I overtook a Civic and suddenly the blowers in the car came on full whack. Worrying? I pulled over, and everything seemed fine! :confused:

It turns out the regulator in the alternator had died - when I rose above 2000rpm the lights, heater blower and anything else electrical would go haywire. Cue me driving home with everything electrical on full, at 40mph, in order to keep everything stable. Got there in the end though! :) This happened a week after getting the car.

The failed unit was obviously fairly old, corrosion had set in and it was an original Rover part. After talking to several companies, I had a recon unit sent out for £117, not bad considering it was an uprated beefy 95A jobby.

Replacing this was fun, didn't get any pictures as it was a rused job but 2 hours later, 3x 10mm sockets and lots of blood later it was off. ;)

Simple to refit, although made more difficult by me refusing to de-gass the aircon and remove a pipe that makes access easier!

Cam belt replacement

I knew this was probably due - the most recent was at 70k and 7 years ago, and it was on 118k then. Recommended service interval for this is 60k.

After my success with the alternator, I (stupidly) decided to give this a go. As a bit of background info, the T Series engine uses a bog standard twin overhead cam arrangement, with a manual tensioner. The tensioners are designed for the life of the engine, with a full metal construction.

Replacement wasn't too difficult - I simply used some old touch-up paint to mark the pulleys and the old belt for refence if i knocked the timing during the belt change.

This didn't go smoothly - the tensioner bolt was very, very tight and would not budge for the life of me, my cheap socket set probably didn't help! So in the end I did the manly thing, and gave up. It just so happens the tension currently set was fine for the new belt, lucky me.

Pictures coming soon :)

Clutch release arm failure, amongst other things!

By far, the most challenging issue to date. Driving fairly hard one night, I went to change into 3rd, and the pedal didn't come back up after the shift. Damn! I knew clutch slave cylinders are weak on the PG1 gearboxes, so assumed it was this and called the RAC to come and rescue me.

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Turns out I'd done some serious damage...
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I had the option of weld it, and hope it holds, or find a new or second hand arm, and remove the gearbox to fit it. Being that a good few other bits could do with attention, and that I had a fair bit of free time, I opted for the gearbox-off method. While the car is apart, the following work also was due:
- CV joint gaiters starting to crack
- Bad rust on subframe
- Front brake discs badly lipped and pads low
- Front calipers badly corroded

Time to get going...

First, the driveshaft hubnuts are meaty 32/36mm sods, so time for a big manly wrench. :D
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Much bashing later:
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Got the whole hub completely off in the end, balljoints can be a pain to split. The brake discs on the Rover 600 / Honda Accord are mounted behind the hub, well done Honda :rolleyes: making removal and refitting a job normally requiring a bearing splitter and lots of hours. Some clever individual on MG-Rover.org has thankfully developed a way to change them without splitting the bearings, making it a DIY job.

First, you need an impact socket, a big hammer, and 4 lumps of wood or bricks to support the hub assembly. The 4 securing nuts are undone slightly, then let the beating commence!

The socket is hit on the back of each bolt 3 times, then moved diagonally to the next bolt.
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Old disc:
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Huzzah! New disc and old, with wheelbearing / brake disc mounting.
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After cleaning up with a brush attachment on the anglegrinder:
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And re-ligning up for assembly. When reassembling with a brake disc in place, the wheelbearing / brake disc mounting is lightly tapped into the hub knuckle, then the 4 bolts are progressively tightened to pull the two parts together.
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And all finished.
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Next, it's CV gaiter time!
Old gaiter in situ:
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Taking apart a CV joint, and cleaning out the old grease is a right **** of a job. :o
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And after a good cleaning up:
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The subframe was a little rusty:
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So let's get that cleaned up!
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Repainted with Hammerite:
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Finally, let's get that gearbox off. The engine needs to be lowered at the gearbox side to allow it to clear the wheelarch:
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After working out where the various bolts were and slackening them, a crack appeared...
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My good mate Jamie modified the fork-type ball joint splitter with my angle-grinder:
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Upon further leverage, this widened...
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Old clutch:
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Woot!
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Re-assembly

Pretty much the reverse of removal, as they say in the trade ;)

Engine crane made out of 2 trolley jacks, some wood and a lot of grease, for getting the 'box back on:
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Gearbox being aligned, notice the new clutch release arm with greasenipple:
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Some work even got into the early AM hours! :(
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Cleaning out the brake pad carriers,
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And after taking off the rust and dabbing a rubbish coat of blue paint:
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With pads:
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More pics will be added when I find them, hope you find it interesting :)
 
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I wish you wouldnt keep insisting its a luxobarge, its not, a Luxobarge is a Jaguar XJ, perhaps a Rover 800 at a push, not a Mondeo rival like the 600 :p
 
Dismantling the CV's was a bit excessive; unless the original boots were split and the grease was full of crap you don't need to strip them down. Hope you marked everything up so all the parts went back together in the same positions ;)
 
cool points for you for taking on those jobs. im not a rover lover etc but can understand the disproportionate amount of effort people can put into cars that would normally be labelled as junk

and that feeling you get when its all bolted back up and runs again is hard to beat
 
Surely a prerequisite for a luxobarge is for it to be comfy and waft you along in silence? Not something with the sound insulation of a balloon? :D

Does this mean we shall see you saturday?
 
Cheers :)

Not the easiest work, but worth it - gives a fantastic drive and is cheap to maintain as I DIY it all.

Best feeling in the world when I turned the key again after the work was done! :):)

Edit: For a Rover it's pretty well sound insulated :D Hopefully will be there, fingers crossed! Love my days out down south :cool:
 
Nice write up, she's certainly thrown up her fair share of problems though :eek:

:)

Is the greasenipple on the input shaft a 'Rover416i Modification'? as contaminating the clutch with grease might not be the best idea... ;)
 
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A chap down the road from me has recently got a green one of these.

It turned up looking pretty standard and a bit shabby a few weeks ago, he's since tansformed it by tidying it up, new wheels, spoiler, lowered, and have to say it looks pretty damn good.

Only gripe is he's got one of those stupid bonnet kits that leave it open a little for cooling, ffs it just looks like you've not shut it properly!
 
arrgh captive brake disks! got the same damned thing on my car and they are in need of replacement. I am leaning heavily towards getting a pro to do them but don't want the cost lol
Nice work fella keep it up.
 
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