World Cup: linesmen will not flag marginal offsides (VAR)

[cheesyboy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44459554

They're going to let play continue to see if there's a goal, and only then refer to VAR.

Sounds absolutely terrible. Who comes up with this?!

Surely we'll just keep getting goals disallowed, and people will quickly get sick of it.

Anyone think it's good idea? Am I reading it wrong?

 

[Steedie]

Great, so going to lead to lots of goals either not getting celebrated as they should while fans wait and see whats happening, or lots of broken hearts and brilliant football moments (last minute goals, brilliant counter attacks) ruined because they were offside all along but we are led to believe they might not be

FIFA just do not know how to use VAR, it's farcical.

 

[Sui]

I suppose it is the most fair option. It will be interesting to see what happens though if it's deemed offside but in the mean time there's a reckless red card tackle, as the defenders/players shouldn't have been in a position that this would have happened.

 

[UTmaniac]

But what if Messi or Neymar score?

 

[fez]

It makes a lot of sense doesn't it. You either give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team and allow them to finish the attack/attempt on goal or you make a potentially wrong offside call and a game/tournament changing decision. I don't think they will change the way they ref beyond the marginal calls. They won't be ignoring every offside and looking at it later.

Put it this way, would you be more annoyed having to watch a couple of goals disallowed because they were marginally offside or would you prefer a clear cut game changing chance to be stopped because a linesman made a bad call on a marginal offside.

 

[cheesyboy]

Put it this way, would you be more annoyed having to watch a couple of goals disallowed because they were marginally offside or would you prefer a clear cut game changing chance to be stopped because a linesman made a bad call on a marginal offside.

Honestly, I think i'd be more annoyed about the disallowed goals. It just undermines what's happening in front of you.

I mean, under this regime a significant percentage of all goals scored from beating the offside trap will be ruled out. I feel like we won't be able to trust what we are watching as it happens

 

[Thekwango]

I suppose it is the most fair option. It will be interesting to see what happens though if it's deemed offside but in the mean time there's a reckless red card tackle, as the defenders/players shouldn't have been in a position that this would have happened.

nothing interesting about it, it will still be a red card. whether players should or shouldn't have been in a certain position had play stopped is irrelevant.

 

[BaZ87]

This is going to cause so much controversy. It's all good and well people saying it's better to have all this stop/start nonsense if it results in the right call but what happens when the attacker is offside but given the benefit of the doubt, their shot is tipped around the post and they score from the resulting corner? Are they going to go back and review the original offside call? From what I understand VAR has to be used as soon as the ball goes out of play (before the corner is taken) but is only used in the result of a goal (after the corner). So we're going to have incidents where a lino would have flagged for offside but didn't because of VAR and a team will score a goal that would have correctly been ruled out without VAR.

I've said it so many times, with all the billions of pounds in the game surely a player tracking system can be developed that instantly informs the lino if a player is in an offside position.

 

[SDK^]

Simples - Just remove the offside rule altogether

 

[fez]

I've said it so many times, with all the billions of pounds in the game surely a player tracking system can be developed that instantly informs the lino if a player is in an offside position.

How would this work? It would have to be accurate to the millisecond and somehow track every single part of every players body at every single moment in the game. We are nowhere near that level of technology yet.

 

[SDK^]

I've said it so many times, with all the billions of pounds in the game surely a player tracking system can be developed that instantly informs the lino if a player is in an offside position.

Not so easy - the system would need to 'see' which player the ball was being passed to and where they are in relation to the defense line as the ball leaves the passing players foot.

GPS isn't accurate enough to measure tolerances down to the levels required

 

[BaZ87]

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in GPS or any other ways to track players but unless they can develop an instant system then they should scrap VAR for offsides because whichever way they implement the current system it's going to lead to wrong decisions.

Not so easy - the system would need to 'see' which player the ball was being passed to and where they are in relation to the defense line as the ball leaves the passing players foot.

My suggestion was on the basis that the technology simply alerts the lino of a player being in an offside position, the lino can then do the rest of the work to determine whether they're actually offside.

 

[cheesyboy]

Not so easy - the system would need to 'see' which player the ball was being passed to and where they are in relation to the defense line as the ball leaves the passing players foot.

GPS isn't accurate enough to measure tolerances down to the levels required

I could imagine giving the linesmen some sort of google glass-style eyewear and adding in some augmented reality to highlight offside players.

 

[Purdy]

Track their feet and get over the whole 'goal scoring parts of the body'.

 

[sneakysnail]

Track their feet and get over the whole 'goal scoring parts of the body'.

Fair enough tbh. If your shoulders/head are outside it's so marginal. Do wonder how that system would cope with offside players and interfering and not interfering with play though. Suppose that's always up to the ref.

Always going to be some element of judgement

 

[Mr.E.]

Someones toe appears offside, so goal disallowed. Attackers should get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[The Running Man]

Someones toe appears offside, so goal disallowed. Attackers should get the benefit of the doubt.

Daylight between bodies should be plenty