Worse job advert ever?

[JBod]

I've emailed the owner of James Gray Associates with a complaint about the tone of the advert. Feel free to email too with your industry complaints. Sad I know but I was pretty enraged.

jumpy is your email in trust? I may send an email your way. I'm applying for an apprenticeship and currently doing homework of wages as so far there's been no mention. Hopefully with some homework done I could perhaps negogiate a rate if I feel what they're offering would be too low.

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Nothing wrong with that job ad? Sounds like it might be a more fun place to work than others offering higher salary. Probably the reason it is toned that way?

 

[postbox]

It reads as if it was written in a coffee break, regardless of "the greatest opportunity" it would put me off knowing they could not be bothered to put any effort into their own ad - especially if this represents Scotland's "top cosultancy".

 

[jumpy]

It's possible to live on minimum wage .

Barely, more like it's possible to survive

lol ya rly... I always said minimum wage was called minimum wage for a reason, not comfortable income, or cushty wage. Two better terms for minimum wage are 'treading water wage' or 'let them eat cake wage'.

 

[ash_scotland88]

np.
Ideally, with a little experience behind you, eg. City & Guilds in AutoCAD (2d, 3d wireframe, 3d solids etc) and some actual job time to get really proficient with the software or a particular discipline (3-6 months up to a year) you should be able to charge at least £7-9ph for agency contract work.
My last decent rate doing contract work was about £11-12ph plus expenses.
If you have a specific qualification, say engineering or design speciality, then the minimum should be something in the region of 22k+ but that's scraping the barrel somewhat, if you ask me.

If you're going for agency work, chances are you'll never be anywhere long enough to really get a feel for the job. You'll gain some useful experience, but it won't do much for your career learning prospects, playing catch-up to someone else's irreparably damaged X-ref directory, shoddy drawing office standards, or worse, will be pretty much the norm lol.

If you're a novice, then be prepared to accept whatever you get offered (so long as you can sustain it) to gain a bit of on the job time, then ditch it for something with better pay and prospects.
If you can haz CAD skillz don't be too far tempted by anything less than 15k - though you'll find plenty of firms offering min wage for 'monkey see, monkey do' stuff.
In a nutshell - 12-16k = no skillz and needs the money or the time on the job.
17-20k - haz the skills but not super qualified (like design engineer etc).
20k + = some sort of design/engineering/architectural qualification, add decent experience to that and your probably looking more towards 23-25k, with a full on engineer looking at 30-40k +

That's my rough overview of it.

I still say that the level of remuneration that 'mario' wants for the experience he's requested, is derisory to say the least.

Cheers, seems sort of contradictory to my own research. But good to know anyway. I've made various posts over the past couple of months and have all sorts of people responding and replying.

 

[youdsy]

why would anyone with a HND in an engineering field want to do an apprenticeship? such a big step back. plus two years cad experience? with that and a HND/C in engineering yis enough 2become a fully qualified design in the engineering field. could do a 3 month cad course which is enough to become a deigner in the enginnering trade lol

 

[D.P.]

hell, I know people doing a PhD earning in the 12-16K bracket that work 60 hours a week and have a Masters from a top 10 university. For an apprenticeship without needing much of a degree or work experience in a relatively low skilled work with Glasgow living costs I don't see the big issue. I expect the pay goes up as you work there.


I have seen much worse job adverts in the UK. Jobs for a highly technical position, requiring a PhD in Maths/Physics/CS, work experience, undoubtedly doing long hours, london living costs for 20-24K, which is just an utter joke.

 

[jumpy]

Cheers, seems sort of contradictory to my own research. But good to know anyway. I've made various posts over the past couple of months and have all sorts of people responding and replying.

No worries.
Maybe it's a regional thing. Certainly I'm only going on my experiences here in the east midlands.
What kind of figures are you getting, and for what levels of qualification/experience etc.

 

[m4cc45]

This is what I am looking for nothing more nothing less!!!

Candidates should have 1-2 years AutoCAD experience and a HNC/HND in CAD or Engineering

I wouldn't want to work for someone so contradictory - I imagine, whoever gets the job, when they want to move on will be made to feel very guilty same as if you want a pay rise... pay rise? I've given you a chance! Just get that vibe from it.


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