Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by ver01@, Sep 24, 2017.
Indeed, I thought this subforum was supposed to be about debates based in fact.
Germany would need another 15m people to achieve the same population density as the UK so it's bit misleading to compare the two.
Would Germany be so happy to have that level of population? (96m)
So we would have no idea what Merkel (or Merkel stimulant) would do if she was in charge of the UK rather than Germany.
errr didnt she prove them right by doing that. the results being a huge crime wave, civil disobedience, and more damage to intercultural relations than Nigel farage has ever done
Nope,because there was no crime wave. In fact official statistics showed that the refugees committed crimes at a lower rate than the Germans. No damage to intercultural relations,merely the racists and xenophobes shouted louder, they were always there same as the UK. That is made especially clear in the election where stepdaughter highest refugees had the lowest voting for AfD, and vice versa.
Having been brought up in Germany with dual British/German nationality and regular family holidays there to visit family I have often compared the two countries, with Germany ending up the "better" one in majority of situations.
The whole way of life is different to ours, the core values people hold, the work/life stress balance, the welfare mentality especially (where almost all the pensioners I have seen are living the good life, driving new Mercedes and eating out at restaurants on a daily basis between their cruise holidays - something which cannot be said for our older generation).
And the health care system, my god - talk about efficient! I had a spell of insomnia whilst on holiday one summer which had severely deprived my sleep to the point i had constant vertigo and unable to walk/eat (pre existing condition). i was carried into the local clinic in my hometown village of a few thousand population, was examined, given a full ECG and put on a vitamin drip on the spot. I walked out on my own feet.
The same situation here in the UK I was given some anti dizziness pills which actually gave me dizziness and a 3 month referral wait to a neurologist.
And perhaps my biggest complaint (whilst the least important) is the difference between our bakeries! Once you have seen the alternative, the grass really is greener on the other side!
Mock her immigration stance and hair cut all you like, the vast population hold her so dear they call her "Mummy", we are the laughing stock with our U-turn leader.
So yes, if we had been given a Merkel-like candidate, I would have voted for them without hesitation.
She's Iosef Vissarionovich himself if you're of the political persuasion that uses "globalist" as a pejorative.
A few years ago maybe. Now it's just an echo chamber for half dozen obnoxious wiki-intellectuals.
She's made coalition politics work successfully. I'd definitely vote fo rher.
Right now? Absolutely. With Brexit being the absolute farce that it is, we need ACTUAL 'strong and stable' leadership, not this farcical twaddle we're currently having to deal with. During peace time however, probably not. Some of her politics are just a touch off for me.
It's all relative though. given the right time and the wrong opposition, she'd likely get my vote more often then not.
they had 1000 reports on new years alone how is that not a crime wave. also DP even if they commit crime at a lower rate than the natives that would still be a crime wave due to the large number of new crimes on top of the areas normal amount.
it's all well and good saying "ah but only 1 in 10 refugees commit a crime unlike 1 in 5 germans!" but if 1000 refugees move to an tea to the locals thats just 100 new crimes.
also thid one is more of a "technicality" rather than a legitimate argument and included just to show that "official statistics" must be tweaked but the crime rate among the refugees is 100% as they all illegally passed through countries to get there. so you're saying the official German statistics put Germany at a greater than 100% crime rate for its citizens?
no damage to inter cultural relations? are you kidding me people started burning down houses of asylum seekers and foreigners which simulated in a massive shift to the far right in the German elections. that seems damaged
not to mention the massive damage done throughout Europe to relations as other countries had to deal with her flip flopping "migrants welcome, oh wait no your not" policy which resulted in eu nations re establishing border controls or holding referendums on the issue.
I'm going to guess that autocorrect screwed you over there some how?
to say she did no damage to relations is laughable.
if Merkel hadn't handled the migrant crisis so badly Europe would be a lot more united
lol crimewave. It's sad how desperate some Brits are to paint Germany as a failure. How about pointing some of that critical/hyperbolic focus onto the state of your own country.
ok, ho do you think merkels handing of the refugee situation affected the brexit referendum?
because it seemed to be a major factor in the leave vote gaining ground.
^it provided that idiot with a great poster campaign....
The EU was not prepared for the refugee crisis. Germany dealt with the bulk of it, which as the most affluent member of the bloc is a pretty reasonable stance to take no?
Merkel provided that idiot with a racist campaign poster? Who provided him with the referendum in the first place?
Why don't you debate what he has posted then and give an opinion/facts as to why his statements are incorrect.
Yes i would vote for Merkel, even Macron, everyday of the week and twice on sunday
A reasonable and thoughtful leader vs bloviating buffoons like Nigel/Boris or walking dead like Teresa/Jeremy or dinosaurs like Rees-Mogg. Seriously need some new blood at the head of UK politics.
Those claiming Merkel is to blame for the AfD need to get a bit of perspective. The vote share for the AfD is in the same sort of voteshare as UKIP managed, same demographic.
They only directly elected 3 MPs. So, about the same as UKIP managed (bugger all). But because Germany uses PR, they get an equivalent number of seats to their voteshare (about 90).
Germany hasn't fallen to the Nazi AfD any more than the UK has fallen to the Nazi UKIP. Difference being Germany isn't stupid enough to run referendums where that 10% can swing things.
Won't happen because the general public won't do anything about it.
A crime wave is a sustain significant increase in crime, not isolated incidents. TO examine whether there is an actual crime wave would require looking at statistical changes in crime rates. Secondly, no a crime rate is normalized by population size, so although the total number of crimes may have increased the population increased at a larger rate so the crime rate actually lowered. A Resident in Germany was no more liekly to be a victim of crime after the refugee crisis, this is especially he case since a lot of the crime committed by refugees are against other refugees. It is just a fact of life that there is also an underlying crime rate within a population, the absolute numbers will change with population size, but that is relatively irrelevant.
But the probability that a resident is a victim of crime has actually reduced.
Complete strawman argument. The refugees did not illegally pass through other countries.
The far right was always there. A vast majority of Germans experienced a very positive experience with the refugees, which is why in those areas with the greatest number of refugees had the lowest voting for AfD.
She damaged relation to the far right media circle jerks. The bigger issue is that other Eu countries simply didn't take their fair and moral share of the refugees which compounded the issue.
If think you will find Europe i still very much united, it was only the UK that decied to cut its own leg off for a laugh.
the ironic thing is any future refugee crisis is most liekly to see the UK have to take on many more refugees. It the EU that has given other EU countries the right to relocate refugees to other countries. Outwith the Eu, the UK will have a much harder time
I'd vote for her at most twice, beyond that and you get into the dangerous territory of mistakes that have nigh permanent consequences if said person continues to stay.
a wrapped up insult that usually comes from Nazi's, racists and bigots as littered throughout these types of threads that go unchecked by the mods.
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