X-Type Jag / Mondeo.

[Von Smallhausen]

Do any of the more learned people here know if the well known clutch / fly wheel issue that isn't uncommon with Mondeos is the same with the X-Type given they are very similar cars etc ?

 

[blueboy2001]

I don't believe the problem with dual mass flywheels is any more prevalent on the Mondeo or X-Type that it is on any other diesel fitted with one. You simply hear of more failures because of the numbers of them on the road and the fact many of these cars were bought to cover high mileages.

My thoughts are that these failures are very much down to how the vehicle is driven. Ambling around in high gears from low revs is what kills them. Never buy one from someone who says it'll sit in sixth gear at 40mph quite happily!

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I am in the process of shifting the Mondeo I have with an X-Type that has caught my attention, hence my asking.

Thanks for that.

 

[Moeks]

I haven't heard of it being so common, then X-Types are not as common as Mondeos, and many of them have autoboxes, so are probably less ahrd on the DMF anyway, to be honest though I don't pay all that much attention to the X-Type issues, not that there are many as far as I do know.

What I would say is, don't buy one with a diesel engine, just don't! You do not want a 4 pot oil burner in a Jaguar of any sort, it's just not the done thing, makes it an entirely different experience to the 3 litre petrol V6, which is very nice.

 

[Draeger]

The 2.0 X-Type petrol wont light any fires either. I had one a couple of years back and it wasn't a great car tbh.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Thanks for the advice folks.

In the interime whil the mondeo was off the road I have been driving my brother's part time MX5 and I was pleasantly surprised at how well they drive although it isn't a contender for a new motor.

 

[Crizzy]

Thanks for the advice folks.

In the interime whil the mondeo was off the road I have been driving my brother's part time MX5 and I was pleasantly surprised at how well they drive although it isn't a contender for a new motor.

Didn't you have an MR2, how do the two compare?

Thanks

 

[daveydave]

My thoughts are that these failures are very much down to how the vehicle is driven. Ambling around in high gears from low revs is what kills them. Never buy one from someone who says it'll sit in sixth gear at 40mph quite happily!

Is this true? source? I didn't know that. I thought it was hard launches and traffic light gp's. Hmm might have to change my driving style a tad.

40mph in 6th is fine, it think when you're doing 20 in 6th, in the ST220, you can hear the engine labouring.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Didn't you have an MR2, how do the two compare?

Thanks

I did have an MR2 turbo but sold it when I found out little Von was on the way.

I like the interior of the MX5 better and they appear better put together but in terms of handling and performance the MR2 is a far better car in my opinion.

I have never had better fun in a car than with an MR2 mkII. I just love them.

Saying that, not so long back, Freefaller took me for a spin in his MX5 that he had turbocharged and I have to say it was tremendous.

 

[Crizzy]

Ok sweet, cheers for that.

I am still debating whether or not to turbo my mx5 or just get a turbo mr2. Still saving the ££'s at the mo

Besides that I think the X-type is really good value for your dough

 

[iaind]

Is this true? source? I didn't know that. I thought it was hard launches and traffic light gp's. Hmm might have to change my driving style a tad.

40mph in 6th is fine, it think when you're doing 20 in 6th, in the ST220, you can hear the engine labouring.

I'm not sure how true this is, but I was told it was because the nature of a dual mass flywheel, the shuddering you feel if you're in too low a gear is reduced/eliminated but obviously the drivetrain is still being subjected to it - so that is one thing that kills them. Hard launches aren't going to help either mind you. Mine's quite happy at 40 in 5th, 6th would be a bit of a push though.

To answer the original question, a 2.0D manual x-type is almost identical to the Mondeo 2.0 TDCi so has the same weak points. Likewise for the other equivalent engines (2.2D, 2.5V6 and 3.0V6). The 2.0 in the X-type is a V6 I think, rather than the ford duratec so not sure on that one

 

[MrFunex]

A DMF is to smooth out the variations in torque produced by the individual cylinders firing in order to give a smoother engine.

Because of the second mass that can oscillate inside the first, a DMF works better than a solid flywheel of similar mass, and as good as a much heavier solid flywheel. This means you get the free revving performance of a light flywheel, but the damping effect you need on a high torque, 4 cylinder engine (read most modern diesels), where the power strokes don't overlap. Lots of driving around pushing the engine hard at low revs requires a lot of work from the DMF and it'll wear out sooner. When I had my old remapped TDCi Mondeo, if you booted it from 1000-1600rpm, it felt like the engine was trying to tear itself to pieces. It was less harsh before the map, but the effect was still there. At higher revs (above 1750-2000) the effect was barely noticeable.

The problem with some of the Ford flywheels I've read, is that the springs which allow a part of the DMF to oscillate, wear out against the housing, and dump iron filings into other parts of the engine. Specifically onto the starter motor, and difficulty starting the car can usually be a sign that the DMF is on its way out.

 

[iaind]

Generally the iron filings get into the clutch bearing first and cause it to squeal - so if you listen out for this you can save yourself a new starter motor