Xbox 360 exhaust fans, I'm I being fussy ?

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Things change I've changed

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here's the story, my original 360 noise wise was very very very quiet, without a disk in the drive on the dash it just gently hummed away, you could hear the air being pushed though the system but not the actual fans themselves, now when my console died I had it replaced with a new one, problem is this new one sounds like a tracker, (really it does :( ), on this one you can not only hear the air being pushed through the system but you can actually hear the fans engines noise whining away, plus, and this is the most annoying part, you can also hear the pitch of the fan changing all the time going up and down like a yo yo, this is when it is on the dash, it is so annoying that I actually welcome the sound of the game spinning up in the drive to help drown out the noise,

after doing some investigations I've found out my 360 has delta exhaust fans in the back and my old console had nidec fans, apparently the nidec fans are pretty much silent and are supposedly as fast as the deltas, (if you have the delta fans in your system all you have to do is look in your exhaust vent at the back and your see it written on the stickers on the fans, if you have the quieter fans then they won't have any silver stickers on them and will just be black), any how, I rang M$ back up and complained about this and said I wasn't happy having the delta fans in my system as it ruins the gaming experience, they told me basicly as long as the console is working I do not have the right to change the fans in my system as they are still working and doing what they are designed to do, keep the console cool,

so I asked to speak to the supervisor and ended up arguing with him for a good hour at least, he said that the newer consoles have better fans in but they were louder, I knew this was ******* as I checked 3 other consoles and their manufacturing dates were all newer than mine and they all had the quiet nidec fans in them , in the end he gave in and said he would rma the console but he still couldn't promise that the fans would be replaced :confused: :( :mad: ,

do you guys think I'm being too fussy, or do I have the right to have my fans changed even though they are still functioning within their perimeters ?

also did you guys even know that the 360 was made with different types of fans ?, could explain why sometimes on here there is such a diverse opinion in regards to the noise volume of the console
 
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Well whether it's the difference between a Premium or a Core, or a newer model or not but this new Premium I have (did have a core before) is ridiculously loud!

Fans are almost silent, but the DVD drive is like a megadeath concert.
 
The fans on my 360 are loud too.

Its 13 months old now so i'm thinking of opening it up and changing to the Talismoon fans.

I may even cut out the grill, but will see how i get on first with the fan change
 
Coolasmoo said:
The fans on my 360 are loud too.

Its 13 months old now so i'm thinking of opening it up and changing to the Talismoon fans.

I may even cut out the grill, but will see how i get on first with the fan change
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Im think about replacing mine also and dremeling the grill.

Josh
 
5bjoshua said:
Im think about replacing mine also and dremeling the grill.

Josh
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This is what I am going to do. My warrenty has ran out now anyway.

I am also thinking of going whole hog and replacing the xisting thermal paste with AS5 or equivilant. (however I have read that the heatsinks are buggers to remove)
 
5bjoshua said:
Im think about replacing mine also and dremeling the grill.

Josh
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I've already done that. The grill can easily be removed by using wire cutters. I use talismoon whisperfans and the console is far quieter and feels cool to the touch now :)
 
why is it so stupidly designed, i just can't understand it.the main heat problem is the gpu, tiny sink gets stupidly hot so needs airflow, too much of the air comes through the gaps right at the end of the heatsink though not all the way through the sink so its just a awful design. grills with lots of tiny holes = worst thing you can do. noise comes from all the air in contact with surface area. more surface area is bad, multiple small holes has the biggest surface area possible. better grills all around, especially by the fans but all over aswell would help. also a decent dvd drive or the ability to install to hard drive, the dvd drive is appalling on mine, but noise isn't standard on all drives.

on my pc, i can't remember which drive i used to have, might have been a NEC drive, or somethign or other but it was stupidly loud when reading, much louder than my previous drive, i changed it to a samsung i think and it was very much quieter. some extremely simple things done to tweak the design would have improved cooling massively and decreased the noise, theres really no reason to not have a silent or very close to silent console. think i'm going to make a box for my xbox to sit in, not like a complete box that kills off airflow, but hell sit playing the xbox, hold a pillow up inbetween you and it, noise is decreased. i'm working on getting maybe some chipboard or something cheap, some kind of sound deadening material and putting the xbox further away, with plenty of airflow but just the side facing the area i sit blocked off as completely as possible.

thats the thing with noise, its fairly hard to change the sound something makes, but pretty damn easy to change how you hear it.


as i said about original design though, 10 minutes of thinking hard would mean better cooling and decreased noise, but this would also massively reduce failure rates as it would seem most are from too much heat and also reduce customer complaints, review scores and how much people like the 360 in general. the worst part, the hard drive addon which itself generates a little heat if not much actually covers up a decent amount of the airholes on one side. better layout on the motherboard could have lead to much more room for gpu/cpu cooling aswell, but even now, as with things like high end motherboards, absolutely no reason they couldn't have made a heatsink with heatpipes that get the heat to any of the wasted space in the box and have a lot of extra cooling capacity. to the right side of the drive, behind the power button they could have a really big heatsink connected to the gpu via heatpipe giving hugely better cooling.
 
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I had the same problem with mine, the first one was quiet and the second was sooo loud, not trying to change the subject or appear as a ps fanboy (as i love my 360) but this is one of the main reasons i decided to get a ps3, my confidence in the 360 went out the window when it dies on me after exactly 12 months! and then to be stuck with a console that sound like this does was quite dis-heartening.

so i would say that your are not being too picky at all, whats the point in having all this technology if you can't hear the games/movies anyway?
 
I was going to get the talismoon fans but i don't want a bright blue light coming out of the back of my console. Wonder if you can clip the leds out?

The GPU heatsink is paltry. It helps if you tape a bit of card over the top to help airflow, and seal it to the edge of the plastic duct. I also put some card to seperate the two fans so that one was working on pulling air across the gpu with my new cardboard tunnel thing, and the other was for the cpu. Seems to work quite well. I need to speed up the fans a bit now but I can only find 12V which will be too loud. Maybe a rheostat would work but I'd need to run it to outside of the case.
 
Mine are Delta and make exactly the same noises the OP described.

Doesnt matter how carefully you describe it though, still get people screaming at you that its the DVD drive making the noise and not the fans, *sigh*.
 
think the initial design was acceptable noise levels but once the failure level rocketed so did the cooling and noise

saying that the dvd is a different story how that got past the checks i dont know my guess is keeping costs down was the priority and they got a good deal on some crap drives
 
Im sure Ive not got delta fans as mine is so much quieter than my last 360 which like Lowrider said it sounded like a tractor.

In game it didnt bother to much because I would just crank the volume of the game and that with the drive noise was easier to deal with, but on the dashboard it was so annoying at times,.

I really dont think your being overly fussy about it we play consoles for fun, relaxation and enjoyment, if thats being ruined by fans that can easily be repalced by MS I dont see why they shouldnt do it.
 
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