Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by diamount, Dec 16, 2012.
In fact they do, and you do not have to be Muslim either, just have a visa from an Arab country.
Goes on a bit of a racist tirade after the 1 minute mark, but before that his point is valid.
"If you couldn't dig money right out of the ground you'd all be starving"
Oh dear, the fake sheikhs and their fake wealth.
Lets poo poo them for their own natural resources and chastise them for realising wealth from the global demand for it.
What a knobber.
Pat Condell was good until he started defending Israel and pulling the anti-semetic card.
I lived in Jeddah for 6 years in the 80's, I was only a child at the time and we lived in a segregated area for overseas workers. It was an interesting place from what I remember.
Somewhat true though. Salafis are seen to be radical, and lets not forget that they themselves got into power by violently removing the rulers of their time. What's been 'exported' isn't necessarily a carbon copy of salafi beliefs, but their adherence to literal interpretations and rigidness.
genuinely interested m8,
can you give examples how this would differ from the normal path of belief ?
salafiyyah is true islaam no matter what anyone says.
please download and read the following books for what salafiyyah really is and its position on terrorism.
From what I understand, Saudi Arabia is pretty hot. I wouldn't move there.
There are quite a few differences, from the fundamentals of belief to every day practices concerning prayers etc. The 'selling point' of Salafi Islam is that it claims to follow the salaf ie. the first 3 generations of Muslims following the Prophet (pbuh) but arguably most sects can also claim to do that as well.
Personally I don't think these differences should affect the unity of Muslims to the extent it does, given that in these times scholarly and academic discussions can take place very easily.
This gives a brief overview http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi, but given that it's from wiki you may want to check out the sources!
Salafism seems to be a recent name thats sprung up, but its essentially a reformist movement within the religion. The differences between Ahle Sunnat and people which follow salafism, isnt all that great, I suppose the biggest issues are the milad celebrations and the acceptance of saints by Ahle Sunnat.
It tends to be Maulvi's from back home that want to exacerbate the differences to keep people arguing. Lets face it, running a mosque nowadays is a status thing, if a barelvi mosque has a bigger congregation than the local salafi one then the maulvi of said mosque is a hero back home! The arguing stops the worshipper going to another mosque, as they fear or loathe the others!
Personally Im a muslim, I dont prescribe to belong to any group, we are all one, we have one Quran to guide us, we have the main Hadith books to give us the info to follow the prophets example.
+1 indeed and the more muslims realise this the better imho.
If only you could now realise that, you don't need a 1000 year old book to guide you and that it could all be made up and that as such, then perhaps all those in the middle east wouldn't crave what the west has and would be able to progress and move forward as nations?
Yeah, because the Quran is the root of all the issues in the Middle East.....
I think you have it a bit backward, and the Middle East are not craving what we have, we are craving what they have, and we follow invasive foreign policies to ensure our access to it.
science brought a lot of things that religion didnt, but then again look at the state of our western societies and the values of the common person now they have no prescribed values or beliefs !
the bible / quran teach people how to behave to their fellow man
it is basically a right old mess nowadays. most people dont give a crap about their neighbour in any vein of work or walk of life, it stinks. I for one think religion should be a unifying concept
Funny thing is that Muslims don't even realize they worship the same God XD
Actually they can fly now into cuba as i saw it on the BBC that they were doing a china and going semi capitalist.They are fueling the economy by bringing home goods like 32" flatscreens on the flights and right into cuba and are then used as stock in newly allowed retail electronic stores.A few years ago it was illegal to start your own business unless it was on a very small and silly pre approved list of jobs allowed by the goverment.
Or the morons who call Allah a monkey god mostly those moronic EDF members.You have to be pretty dumb to think each religeon has thier own god.Jesus is in the koran and they do not dispute jesus as being a prophet i do not think.I just think the problem was they said jesus did not die which obviously outraged christians ^^
And i think Saudia Arabia is a dung heap.They still behead people and as far as i can grasp are ruled by kings with massive porn stashes who really dont give a crap about islam.Americans in robes and beards would be more like it.They basically impoverish thier own people in favour of thier regime being propped up by uncle sam.Pat Condell pretty much nails SA in that video.The person who emailed him saying he is proud to be a Saudi is obviously the kind of idiot they love to rule over.
I remeber watching top gear "Middle East Special" and Israel will not allow them into the country if they have been in Syria.
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