Z390- ASUS- Gene PCB breakdown

tostitobandito · 11 Oct 2018 at 17:37

Yeah, motherboard benchmarks are kind of useless unless they're evaluating CPU/memory overclocking or measuring thermals under those conditions. With a stock config the variance in frame rates and benchmark scores between comparable boards is going to be within the margin of error.

lee32uk · 12 Oct 2018 at 15:42

chaparral said:
Anyone know how much the ASUS ROG Maximus XI Extreme Z390 is yet ?

I have seen it listed on another retailer at £509.99.

RavenXXX2 · 14 Oct 2018 at 15:52

ROG MAXIMUS XI HERO

I'm in love, if I was to go Intel again that would be my mobo.

ViRuS2k · 14 Oct 2018 at 16:24

where the hell is there Xtreme Maximus z390 version :/

LePhuronn · 14 Oct 2018 at 20:36

ViRuS2k said:
where the hell is there Xtreme Maximus z390 version :/

What, this one?

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-XI-EXTREME/

It looks so much like the X399 Zenith Extreme

tostitobandito · 14 Oct 2018 at 20:54

Yeah but I think the point was that it hasn't been released yet. I think I read that it might not be available until December.

ViRuS2k · 15 Oct 2018 at 07:17

LePhuronn said:
What, this one?

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-XI-EXTREME/

It looks so much like the X399 Zenith Extreme

Thats the one baby

i have my eyes on her lol + also the MSI MEG version

those boards though i can justify the price for those, but they will be getting run by my 8700k not a 9900k as i cant justify the price for that cpu.... intel are total bonkers.

or i could be bonkers and get the 9900k and stick it in my z370 gigabyte gaming 7 board lol
not sure the vrms are up to it though

but i do have a monoblock on it and the vrms never reach 50c+ lol

VincentHanna · 15 Oct 2018 at 12:36

Wait, what?

You can justify £600 for a new motherboard, but not for the CPU?

That makes no sense to me. Just keep the board you have and get a 9900k.

orbitalwalsh · 17 Oct 2018 at 09:35

heads up, VRMs , if you can afford to grab the watercooled ROG then do so, specially if your running AVX!
Treading carefully here, all vendors VRMs run hot - taking away the cooling aspects etc .
Watercooled versions have AVX and non AVX temps closer together but non water boards, there's a good difference.
can see why vendors have stepped up VRM counts- running 5.1/5.2ghz overclock and your VRMs are pushed hard! even at 1.35v

look out for reviews that use heatguns ! and dont just rely on sensors as some boards have them closer to the hottest part of the Mosfet (aorus)

if you can, what ever board you get, change the heatpads

think asus pads are rated at W/mK 1-2, Thermal Grizzly's are like 8 w/mks

asus also have one of the strongest QVL for 2 sticks 4000hz+ but weaker with 4 sticks compared to aorus

Parsley · 17 Oct 2018 at 11:55

Any idea about the thickness of said heat pads for the Formula? Maybe you've stumbled across it somewhere.

Robert896r1 · 17 Oct 2018 at 12:16

orbitalwalsh said:
heads up, VRMs , if you can afford to grab the watercooled ROG then do so, specially if your running AVX!
Treading carefully here, all vendors VRMs run hot - taking away the cooling aspects etc .
Watercooled versions have AVX and non AVX temps closer together but non water boards, there's a good difference.
can see why vendors have stepped up VRM counts- running 5.1/5.2ghz overclock and your VRMs are pushed hard! even at 1.35v

look out for reviews that use heatguns ! and dont just rely on sensors as some boards have them closer to the hottest part of the Mosfet (aorus)

if you can, what ever board you get, change the heatpads think asus pads are rated at W/mK 1-2, Thermal Grizzly's are like 8 w/mks

asus also have one of the strongest QVL for 2 sticks 4000hz+ but weaker with 4 sticks compared to aorus

The Auros z390 pro with the latest bios won’t boot to 4000mhz on 8pak’s tested ram when using xmp profile or manual timings just FYI. Using slots 2 and 4 (heatsink blocking 1/3) I can run 3600mhz at c16 though but ram performance seems off.

orbitalwalsh · 17 Oct 2018 at 12:34

Robert896r1 said:
The Auros z390 pro with the latest bios won’t boot to 4000mhz on 8pak’s tested ram when using xmp profile or manual timings just FYI. Using slots 2 and 4 (heatsink blocking 1/3) I can run 3600mhz at c16 though but ram performance seems off.

Aorus, only has 4 sticks working g on QVL list, not 2 . They test 4 across the board, have weaker 2 sticks support . Also on the Master/ITX, not so sure on the Pro/Elite

Asus has lot of G.Skill support it seems for higher ram speeds. Hope TG gets more added.

shamus21 · 17 Oct 2018 at 13:26

orbitalwalsh said:
heads up, VRMs , if you can afford to grab the watercooled ROG then do so, specially if your running AVX!
Treading carefully here, all vendors VRMs run hot - taking away the cooling aspects etc .
Watercooled versions have AVX and non AVX temps closer together but non water boards, there's a good difference.
can see why vendors have stepped up VRM counts- running 5.1/5.2ghz overclock and your VRMs are pushed hard! even at 1.35v

look out for reviews that use heatguns ! and dont just rely on sensors as some boards have them closer to the hottest part of the Mosfet (aorus)

if you can, what ever board you get, change the heatpads think asus pads are rated at W/mK 1-2, Thermal Grizzly's are like 8 w/mks

asus also have one of the strongest QVL for 2 sticks 4000hz+ but weaker with 4 sticks compared to aorus

Yes Asus have never been good with 4 sticks they struggle on the quad channel boards.

orbitalwalsh · 17 Oct 2018 at 13:56

shamus21 said:
Yes Asus have never been good with 4 sticks they struggle on the quad channel boards.

hit or miss with all vendors i guess. Wonder is ASrock have changed design so all 4 dimms can run faster then default speed?

VincentHanna · 17 Oct 2018 at 14:05

I don't understand why they don't make more 2 dimm boards to be honest, as the z390 doesn't actually support proper Quad channel.

orbitalwalsh · 17 Oct 2018 at 14:20

VincentHanna said:
I don't understand why they don't make more 2 dimm boards to be honest, as the z390 doesn't actually support proper Quad channel.

if you look at build/upgrade requests here over last 4 years, comes from owners of 1st-3rd gen intel i5/7's which up until now ran everygame just fine, they just had 2x 4gb sticks of ram as at the time, thats all they needed or were on the market, now 16GB is the main stream so they slap in another 2 sticks and maybe a gpu upgrade and fine for another 3+ years etc .

many of us now currently slap in 2x 8gb sticks in as its the normal, might find in 6 years time were 8700k/ryzen 1700 still perform just fine but more memory is needed might slap in another 2 sticks .

peoples use also change and the fact workloads for non gaming application are increasing - memory size goes in hand with it etc

why there has been a push for Dual Stack RAM

VincentHanna · 17 Oct 2018 at 14:22

I understand why they make 4 dimm boards, I don't understand why they don't make more 2 dimm boards considering the high-end boards are supposedly aimed at overclockers.

Easier to overclock 2 dimms instead of 4.

I can only think of the XI Gene, which has other drawbacks and the EVGA z390 Dark which doesn't even have a release date.

delpy8 · 17 Oct 2018 at 18:58

Hi I've been out of the mobo/cpu upgrade loop for a bit and I was wondering if the new z390 with latest k cpu supports bootable raid 0, I'm wanting to have a 2 x Samsung nvme setup, I'm currently on the x299 but with the vroc debacle I'm off that idea

Thanks Derek

tostitobandito · 17 Oct 2018 at 19:11

Yes I believe they do, though RAID on nvme SSD's isn't really worth it due to the bandwidth limits on the board (shared between both SSD's) and the fact that you'll actually lower your random read times. You're better off with the fastest and biggest single SSD you can afford, like a 970 Pro 1TB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgH0LPU9oes

Robert896r1 · 17 Oct 2018 at 23:48

@orbitalwalsh any reason why CPU score is this low on the z390 Aorus Pro with Wifi? 8pack 4000mhz ram wouldn't post as XMP or manual primary timings set so I manually see it to 16-16-16-36 (3600mhz) with the rest on auto but my AIDA64 read score and

I know it's not the CPU because PiFast test is spot on for what 5.0ghz 8086k should do: 12.80

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/29528566