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Zarqawi claimed killed in Iraq air raid

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Shackley, Jun 8, 2006.

  1. ThriceNightly

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    I for one wont be flying the american flag in triumph at the 'death of Al Zarqauri'


    Al-Zarqawi existed as a person. That person is thought to have died some years ago.

    Al-Zarqawi the resistence leader was purely an invention of the Americans.

    This petty criminal was built up into a major player in order to provide a convenient bogey man.

    For some reason, Al-Zarqawi has outlived his usefullness to the Americans and the scriptwriters have written him out.

    .......Ours in to wonder why.
     
  2. Will

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    Any evidence or proof for this assertion?

    The 'story' of Zarqawi and his role within Iraq as laid out by the Americans appears multi-faceted, I mean I've read interviews with Zarqawi's brother in Amman praising him, never mind all the other things like the videos and statements allegedly released by him which support the 'official' view on the man. I have seen little which questions the validity of this evidence.

    As such, Zarqawi as the head of Al-Qaeda in Iraq doesn't appear invented to me - but from the certainty of your statement I presume you can disprove or call into question the veracity of the things that all point towards Zarqawi's status being as is suggested by the US, with actual evidence? :)
     
  3. Mulder

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    How about the Daily Telegraph describing the announcement that Zarqawi was the "head" of Al-Qaeda in Iraq as "a myth", that left wing enough for you? Granted the claim was initially due to faulty intelligence, but the Americans covered it up when they realised he wasn't because it suited their "wider political goals".

    How about American colonel Derek Harvey warning an Army meeting in 2004 that "Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways."

    I think in some ways Zarqawi "is a product of his own making", or more simply put, a nasty piece of work, but I also think he's been taken full advantage of by the American propaganda machine.


    Edit - LISTEN TO GEORGE GALLAWAY ON BBC1 NOW!
     
  4. Loki

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    A few interesting points raised on the specific subject that could not be denied.
     
  5. i know nothing

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    I, however, will be flying the flag for the Iraqi people, of whom so many have died because of Zarqawi.

    All this crap about US conspiracies, I wonder why people can't just join with the Iraqi's in being pleased he's gone.....
     
  6. Mulder

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    Why can't people do both?
     
  7. i know nothing

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    Never said they couldn't
     
  8. anarchist

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    I wish that were true but unfortunately there are plenty of nasty people in this world that seem to get away with doing terrible things their whole life with no retribution. Of course the religious among us might get comfort in thinking that they will be punished in the afterlife, but I'm not one of them!
     
  9. dirtydog

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    What did he say then?
     
  10. dirtydog

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    Absolutely. I wish I shared Spie's view that people generally get what they deserve - if only! :)
     
  11. anarchist

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    Speaking of evil people not getting what they deserve, did you hear Rumsfeld talking about Zarqawi yesterday?

    He said "Arguably over the last several years, no single person on this planet has had the blood of more innocent men, women and children on his hands". Oh the irony ;)
     
  12. VIRII

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    Yes, that raised a chuckle in our house too.
     
  13. Scania

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    He's dead, great!

    But,

    Is it not a bit sad that he was effectively executed without trial, as he did to many others?

    Beware the hunter that becomes like his prey.
     
  14. Jumpingmedic

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    While I don't agree with executions I do support the need for occasional assasinations.... sometimes the risk just isn't worth it. I would far have preferred this man to have faced trial. But there are just some people you can't capture alive, and in such cases it's better you're sure their dead than risk them getting away and continuing their reign of terror.
     
  15. Hussman

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    This is probably just the start of another conspicy theory but...


    It seems very odd to me that a body could be found, apparently almost totally unmarked, in a normal civilian house (i.e. not armoured or built from re-enforced concrete) after it was hit by not one, but two, 500lb bombs.

    The footage of the house shows it to be completely destroyed. Surely he, and anyone else in the house at the time, would have been in bits?
     
  16. Chronos-X

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    Depends, he may have some partial bomb-proofing?
     
  17. VIRII

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    Just the normal structure of walls etc can provide little pockets of safety, much like in WW2 where people hid under tables etc to avoid being hit by falling masonary.
    There are occasional tales of being being blown clean through houses by gas explosions and surviving to tell the tale.