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Old 27th Mar 2010, 15:34   #1
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** GeForce GTX 450, 440 and 430 specs surface

http://www.guru3d.com/news/geforce-g...specs-surface/

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GeForce GTX 450,
With the GeForce GTX 470 and 480 just being released today. According to the latest rumors the company is already planning their mid-range and entry-level alternatives. Believed to be on track for a June 2010 launch at the earliest, according to 3dcenter.org three of the cards will use the 40nm GF104 core with up to 256 shader cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs and a 256-bit memory bus. Although naming isn’t finalised, they’re believed to be known as the NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450, 440 and 430.

The GTX or GTS 440 and 450 would use the GF104 as-is, and go up against the ATI Radeon HD 5830 and HD 5770 respectively, while the GTS 430 will have a pared down version of the Femi chip. That will pack 192 shader cores, 48 TMUs, 24 ROPs and have a 192-bit memory bus. Pricing is expected to be in the region of €200-230 ($268-308) for the GTS 450, €160-180 ($214-241) for the GTS 440, and €130-150 ($174-201) for the GTS 430.

After that we can apparently expect Fermi GF106 and GF108 cores, catering to the lower-mid and entry-level video card markets. The GF106-based cards will come in at €60-100 ($80-134) while the GF108-based cards will be around €30-40 ($40-54). Of course, plenty could change in the meantime, so don’t bet the farm on any of these numbers.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 15:49   #2
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i hope the uk prices match the us one for these...
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 15:54   #3
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UK prices never match the US prices
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 15:56   #4
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US prices are always cheaper, but cost alot to get over here and probably wont work in our pcs.

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Old 27th Mar 2010, 16:09   #5
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US prices are always cheaper, but cost alot to get over here and probably wont work in our pcs.
They probably will, the components are the same world wide. Only the power supply has a different input voltage.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 16:17   #6
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I firmly believe if they get these cards right they will be the real money earners for nvidia this time round
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 16:29   #7
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Indeed. Fermi-based 8800GT
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 16:45   #8
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I firmly believe if they get these cards right they will be the real money earners for nvidia this time round
Not likely, these will end up circa 50% larger than AMD equivilents for the same reason as the upper end, the fundametal design doesn't change, it just has clusters cut off. They "might" cut out the L2 cache area but thats a pretty radical design change and to date AMD/Nvidia stay away from anything but scaled down versions as it increases R&D pretty massively. Even without the L2 cache area it would be some 40% bigger per core, with lower yields and higher price.

192 shaders sounds wrong though, you'd expect 512/256/128/64 to be the shader numbers across the cores, 192 won't be its own card, but a cut down GF104 and a 192shader will be incredibly close in performance to the lower clocked(maybe smaller bus) 256shader part, a 192part leaves them very little room for 2 models and various versions of those models at 256shaders.

We'll have to see, because its very likely Nvidia are binning the living hell out of GF100's to release as many cores as they can, so you can expect at least one more card, a 460gtx, personally I reckon a 450gtx will end up as another further cut down Fermi part.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 17:10   #9
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Not likely, these will end up circa 50% larger than AMD equivilents for the same reason as the upper end, the fundametal design doesn't change, it just has clusters cut off. They "might" cut out the L2 cache area but thats a pretty radical design change and to date AMD/Nvidia stay away from anything but scaled down versions as it increases R&D pretty massively. Even without the L2 cache area it would be some 40% bigger per core, with lower yields and higher price.

192 shaders sounds wrong though, you'd expect 512/256/128/64 to be the shader numbers across the cores, 192 won't be its own card, but a cut down GF104 and a 192shader will be incredibly close in performance to the lower clocked(maybe smaller bus) 256shader part, a 192part leaves them very little room for 2 models and various versions of those models at 256shaders.

We'll have to see, because its very likely Nvidia are binning the living hell out of GF100's to release as many cores as they can, so you can expect at least one more card, a 460gtx, personally I reckon a 450gtx will end up as another further cut down Fermi part.
IF nvidia produce a card which rivals the 5770 on price and performance they will earn alot of money from it. For the last few years it hasnt been about the top end cards as most people arent interested in spending £300 on a graphics card but these people could be swayed by fast performance in the latest games with AA anf AF etc on respectable resolutions if the price point was right.

Whilst the advertising is strictly aimed at the high end, the sales are aimed at the middle/low end of the market to maximise profits
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 17:31   #10
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Rroff was right!

June seems a bit optimistic though?

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Old 27th Mar 2010, 20:04   #11
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IF nvidia produce a card which rivals the 5770 on price and performance they will earn alot of money from it. For the last few years it hasnt been about the top end cards as most people arent interested in spending £300 on a graphics card but these people could be swayed by fast performance in the latest games with AA anf AF etc on respectable resolutions if the price point was right.

Whilst the advertising is strictly aimed at the high end, the sales are aimed at the middle/low end of the market to maximise profits
I know, I'm the one usually saying so in every thread. However, the basic architecture is the same as Fermi, meaning a half sized Fermi will still be roughly 50-60% bigger than a half size Cypress. Meaning, to compete on price they'll still make smeg all cash on a midrange offering.

We'd also have to see where abouts Nvidia had aimed the clock speeds being on the mid range, if they've made the changes needed, like added via's to improve yields, and if power leakage is slightly more under control. You don't really want a 150W 256shader card up against what, a 80W 5770, not sure how much it uses tbh.

The 5770 is really coming into its own now aswell, its actually a tiny bit faster than a 4890 in Metro 2033, and will likely continue to be slightly faster than the 4890 in harder upcoming titles.

Yields go up the smaller the core you make so a GF104 would naturally have higher yields than a GF100, but its still likely they will fall well short of AMD's yields so you've got a 60% bigger core, with lower yields, higher power and no real performance advantage makes it a very hard sell.

It will still make them money because the market needs X millions of cards a year and if they make them and deny AMD production time at TSMC, they people buy whats available and they'll have long term contracts with Dell/HP and the likes.

But its unlikely it will be a fantastic seller and will almost certainly lose out in terms of the general trend that AMD will increase sales across low/mid/high end as Nvidia lose sales in the same segments. AMD will have the more competitive chips across the board this gen.

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Rroff was right!

June seems a bit optimistic though?
I doubt we'd see many in June, we could easily not seen any till a good couple months after that, but Nvidia need their highest volume parts out, and thats the low end, what will be the GF106/108 cards, and theres no sign of them being out anytime soon. With the GT220-240/320-340 range only really new still they might not want to replace it yet again so soon and its likely a Fermi derivitive would be more expensive than the GT320 and less competitive as at the bottom end its price per unit rather than performance thats required.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 21:14   #12
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450 sounds interesting, will keep my eye on that.

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Old 27th Mar 2010, 22:13   #13
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Just when I give up on a lower priced 5850 and settle for getting a 5770, this?


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Old 27th Mar 2010, 22:53   #14
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IF nvidia produce a card which rivals the 5770 on price and performance they will earn alot of money from it. For the last few years it hasnt been about the top end cards as most people arent interested in spending £300 on a graphics card but these people could be swayed by fast performance in the latest games with AA anf AF etc on respectable resolutions if the price point was right.

Whilst the advertising is strictly aimed at the high end, the sales are aimed at the middle/low end of the market to maximise profits
As someone else has pointed out already, yes it would if they could produce such a card but they can only produce the card for a higher price.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 23:11   #15
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US prices are always cheaper, but cost alot to get over here and probably wont work in our pcs.
Uh?
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Old 28th Mar 2010, 14:07   #16
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do anyone know when will these be released?
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do anyone know when will these be released?
Says June at the earliest in the OP.

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Says June at the earliest in the OP.
December it is then
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Old 28th Mar 2010, 20:28   #19
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these might be good, my mate will soon have enough for a new PC that is not a oven

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