Vtec Hondas.... is there much difference?

Eliot

Eliot

Eliot

Soldato
Joined
29 Mar 2005
Posts
5,792
Basically I been having a look at some of the aging Honda vtec wagons on offer and looking at various models on wikipedia and have desided to ask this

between a ek9 type r/sir
a ep3 civic
a prelude
a integra type r
and accord type r

what's the difference? I know how stupid the question sounds but I guess what I'm should really be asking is do they all offer the same experience, granted the integra is a lightened driving machine
but out of all the hondas they all seem to have 180-195 hp
so they all must be fairly similar right, I mean what makes a civic type r better than a prelude? Both make similar power and both are fwd
Is a prelude a type r Honda without the type r name or is there more to it than that
 
EP3 - K20, 2l, 200 odd bhp.
EK9 - B16A, 1.6... best of the lot. Awesome car aswell.
Integrea is a K20 (DC5) or a B18C in the older ones.

As for accords/preludes, i dunno. Think the accord may be a K24 (If your looking at the 2.4s).

I may be wrong on all of those - but its somewhere along those lines.
 
jongeeone said:
EP3 - K20, 2l, 200 odd bhp.
EK9 - B16A, 1.6... best of the lot. Awesome car aswell.
Integrea is a K20 (DC5) or a B18C in the older ones.

As for accords/preludes, i dunno. Think the accord may be a K24 (If your looking at the 2.4s).

I may be wrong on all of those - but its somewhere along those lines.
Click to expand...

Looks right to me, apart from Accord - both Accord type r and vtec preludes have H22 engines
 
nicRob said:
Looks right to me, apart from Accord - both Accord type r and vtec preludes have H22 engines
Click to expand...

The Accord making ~210BHP, and the Prelude 197 (same as an EP3 Civic). The EP3 is lighter than both by at least 100kg, but the Accord is meant to be a very good car in handling terms. Not sure how the Prelude compares really.
 
jongeeone said:
EP3 - K20, 2l, 200 odd bhp.
EK9 - B16A, 1.6... best of the lot. Awesome car aswell.
Integrea is a K20 (DC5) or a B18C in the older ones.

As for accords/preludes, i dunno. Think the accord may be a K24 (If your looking at the 2.4s).

I may be wrong on all of those - but its somewhere along those lines.
Click to expand...

You're slightly off, the EK9 uses a B16B, Accord Type Rs use an H22a7 engine and the Preludes an H22 but not the a7 variant.
 
If your looking for a Prelude the best chassis is the BB4 with a H22 engine in manual, you won't be dissapointed, avoid the 2.3 avoid the automatic
 
danza said:
The Accord making ~210BHP, and the Prelude 197 (same as an EP3 Civic). The EP3 is lighter than both by at least 100kg, but the Accord is meant to be a very good car in handling terms. Not sure how the Prelude compares really.
Click to expand...

The DC5 uses a 217bhp k20a engine, so on paper it certainly makes more power than the rest of them. The 'Teg weighs in at 1100kg, so pretty much the same weight too.

Budget withstanding, I would still take the DC5 over the rest of them.
 
Im fairly sure they are all similar in acceleration ( having been in an EP3, EK4 and DC2 and not seeing much difference )


However the likes of your DC5 etc will keep pulling when the little B16 is giving up.
 
ci_newman said:
The DC5 uses a 217bhp k20a engine, so on paper it certainly makes more power than the rest of them. The 'Teg weighs in at 1100kg, so pretty much the same weight too.

Budget withstanding, I would still take the DC5 over the rest of them.
Click to expand...

Biased fanboi! I for one think the Dc2 is the best of the lot :D

EP3 is a breadvan and are extremely common now. Also far too many chavvy types driving them aroudn these days and giving enthusiast owners a bad name.

Prelude (not driven one) is a boring old thing of aids.

EK9 are pretty cool (also not driven), but good ones have a real scene tax attached to them and would obviously rather have a DC2 + monies or save a little more and get a lardy DC5 ;):D
 
Eliot said:
I mean what makes a civic type r better than a prelude? Both make similar power and both are fwd
Is a prelude a type r Honda without the type r name or is there more to it than that
Click to expand...


It comes down to fanboyism and personal choice, just to add a little more confusion to the mix the Type S 5th gen had the H22a engine producing 217BHP (No idea what differenciates the H22A to H22A7?)

The reason there is no Type R prelude is simply they didn't race them and was never aimed at that end of the market, however the Type S is pretty much the equivalent in the Prelude world.
 
I have a DC2, I'd much prefer a DC5 or a Civic FD2

iirc, the FD2 is 225 bhp. But they're import only and cost a lot compared to other cars you can get for the same money
 
DSC01637.JPG


DSC01642.JPG


DSC01671.JPG


My old JDM 5 speed manual BB4 VTEC Prelude. One of the few lightweight (non 4WS) with LSD, which was pretty rare. There was never a Type R Prelude officially but the engine was very similar to the Accord Type R. Avoid the 2.3 and 2.2 non VTEC as they aren't as good, again imo. Weak points: models with 4 wheel steering were available but could be problematic and rust on rear arches was a killer unfortunately.

Wasn't too bad on fuel, ran on V-Power and got as reasonable mpg as you would expect for what was mainly city driving for me back then.

197bhp H22A engine which never missed a beat in the time I had it. Had general maintence like cambelt, brakes etc. Revs like a typical VTEC!

Sounds nice (had a quad exit exhaust on mine with 4-2-1 manifold) and with the right kit is eye catching and always gets attention. Unusual dash design (stretched EL dials) which is one of the things that attracted me in the first place!

Preludes are strange in that they were only around for a very short while in comparison to the other models - I guess there just wasn't the market for them next to the Integra. I haven't driven a Teg but the CTR I drove from the same era felt very similar in power delivery (ie definite kick when VTEC engaged and extremely rev happy!). I would say there is not a lot in it.

Have recently been offered the car back as a swap for my 306 DTurbo...I'm very, very tempted!
 
For some reason I was a bit underwhelmed by the H22 in the lude - never felt as alive as the H22 in the ATR.
 
Gaijin said:
For some reason I was a bit underwhelmed by the H22 in the lude - never felt as alive as the H22 in the ATR.
Click to expand...

There are differences yeah, its not as in high a state of tune oweing to various minor changes between the revisions. If you can find a 5th Gen Lude with a red top, I believe this is actually the same engine as in the ATR. (I think its H22A1 to H22A7, but I may be mistake as it has been a while!) But then you have to deal with the looks of a 5th Gen Prelude ;)

Having never driven an ATR, I couldn't really compare/comment!

You can still play about with them regardless though, I had an Apexi VTEC controller on my Lude for fuelling adjustment and to lower the VTEC engagement point which made it a bit more interesting to drive (mine was effectively a pass through with a pretty display :D as I never got round to mapping/setting it up before I sold it; but I did drive one with a properly set one and the difference was noticeable)
 
FD2's are made of ultimate win imo! I'd love one in a couple of years when i start to get bored with the DC5.

On a budget it'd be a DC2 for me i think as you can pick up the 96 spec ones pretty cheaply now. have to be JDM of course... but im sure that goes without saying!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom