Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 10:00 AM CST / 10:00 PM EDT.
So 3pm London time.
Scratch that. That's like 3am June 2?!
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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0
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Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 10:00 AM CST / 10:00 PM EDT.
So 3pm London time.
Scratch that. That's like 3am June 2?!
Caporegime
Watch Live Stream Here
http://videocardz.com/60686/watch-amd-computex-polaris-update-live-stream-here
http://videocardz.com/60686/watch-amd-computex-polaris-update-live-stream-here
Right. Dont stay up folks.
You mean like a 1070?
Pretty obvious you're really bent on not buying Nvidia if you can help it, though.
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Some nice info in that, seems to suggest Polaris is going to be mid-high end with 'ultra enthusiast' coming later
Yeah, I topok it as starting with Mid-level and edging into High later in the year with Ultra next year
I think humbug's looking for a cheaper price point than the 1070's which to be fair a lot of people are
Everybody in their right mind wants that. I've never spent more than £270 on a GPU myself, so it's my hope, too.
But there should definitely be lower end 1070's near enough to £300 that will produce the performance he's asking for. Even the budget 3rd party cards should be around stock 980Ti levels at worst, which are easily capable of providing 970-like performance but at a 1080p->1440p jump in resolution.
So I'm just curious what he's going to do if P10 doesn't deliver what he's expecting.
Caporegime
If thats the case it speaks volumes about Nvidia.
Triss is right, i'm just looking for the best i can get for my money, i don't care who it comes from. i have had both and would have both again.
3am Wednesday morning. The time figure is 10pm EDT for the 31st in america. Which is 5 hours difference, plus 1 for BST the next day.
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Not a lot of material information out of Macau so far, unfortunately. I'm hoping AMD is being mum for the time being then will release some quality infot just before 1080/1070 come in stock to take the wind out of nV's sails. However, with our friends over at [H]OcP now claiming Polaris runs hot and under-performs, I'm not holding my breath.
That whole article was just bs he put together because he didn't get invited.
AMD said from the get go that Polaris would be a mid-range card for the GTX 970 crowd, as that is where the money is (and potential for them to grab a significant market-share). The leaks we've seen thus far indicates that AMD might actually have a winner on its hands, as the early Pascals aren't faring any better in DX12 games compared to the last gen (they need to put in a lot of grunt to pull off a win against the Fury X). Price is also an important factor as if Polaris 10 can match a GTX 1070 in dx12 titles, and are priced much lower, most people would chose a Polaris over a GTX 1070. I am sure the GTX 1060 won't stand a chance.That whole article was just bs he put together because he didn't get invited.
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The tweets after the macau event appear to be pretty positive. AMD is trying to gain market share in the sub £250 segments where they actually did well with the 380 and 390 series.
The 1070 seems to be a £300+ card which many will not want to spend. It may come down to around the 970 pricing later but I'm sure AMD will have a competitor there already with the full Polaris (XT?).
In roughly 18 hours we will hopefully find out how bright Polaris will shine.
Let's hope it shines so bright that it will bring tears to the NDL. Lol
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Simply matching a 1070 in only DX12 won't be enough. Since most current games use other APIs like DX11 or even OpenGL/Vulkan in the case of Doom.
Granted they apparently showed off a 'RX 480' running Doom at 1440p, but apparently it was VSR to 1440p on a 1080p monitor. And yet the monitor in the screenshot that's been going around is a curved FreeSync 1440p 144Hz monitor... looks like at least one person is lying.
However, much like the Hitman DX12 showcase before it, they mention nothing about in-game settings. The big question is why would they show off 1440p60 performance? Especially when their competitor showed off 1080p at high framerates? Is it because they don't want it to be easy to compare? After all, the GTX 1070/1080 are pretty much the cards to get for 1440p60, currently. If AMD have succeeded at something... it's in confusing us even more and showing us something without us being able to gather anything from it. Bring on Thursday for some real info!
Well actually they are, quite noticeably. It's not going to be as good as AMD cards can manage it, but they've certainly improved DX12 performance with Pascal.
People would choose a card that performs worse in the vast majority of games?
It honestly depends on where they are 'coming from'. Those with 390/970's are probably looking for *at least* 1070 level performance. Those coming from lower than that may not require that much power to justify upgrading, though.
I'm thinking about this another way: if the rumors of the upcoming Xbox One update having 6 teraflop class GPU are true, then surely Polaris 10 should be able to match and exceed that performance.
So I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Polaris 10 version that meets or even exceeds 1070 performance. Even based on the argument that people mentioned above (that a simple die-shrink of a 390/390x would put it close).
At the end of the day though, AMD has been quite vocal about perf/watt which means to me that they're focusing on small power consumption. It makes sense for the mid-range chip as they can sell it as a high-end notebook solution. I think that the number of laptops vs desktops is much bigger (in retail) and AMD are after deals with OEMs (gaming notebooks) and Apple (macbook air / macbook pro) which will help them claim market share.
So in the end, I suppose they may have sacrificed performance to achieve lower consumption. Therefore, I think that if Polaris can get to within 80% of a 1070 but with much lower power consumption (not price), then AMD have achieved their goal. Gamers won't like it, but the industry will.
The best quote I've read on the subject was (can't remember the source) this: Polaris may not be the GPU we want, but it will be the GPU we need (or something along those lines).
So I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Polaris 10 version that meets or even exceeds 1070 performance. Even based on the argument that people mentioned above (that a simple die-shrink of a 390/390x would put it close).
At the end of the day though, AMD has been quite vocal about perf/watt which means to me that they're focusing on small power consumption. It makes sense for the mid-range chip as they can sell it as a high-end notebook solution. I think that the number of laptops vs desktops is much bigger (in retail) and AMD are after deals with OEMs (gaming notebooks) and Apple (macbook air / macbook pro) which will help them claim market share.
So in the end, I suppose they may have sacrificed performance to achieve lower consumption. Therefore, I think that if Polaris can get to within 80% of a 1070 but with much lower power consumption (not price), then AMD have achieved their goal. Gamers won't like it, but the industry will.
The best quote I've read on the subject was (can't remember the source) this: Polaris may not be the GPU we want, but it will be the GPU we need (or something along those lines).
Soldato
Seems like a sound strategy to me. NVIDIA are definitely presenting them with an opportunity there.
That's entirely possible. What a lot of people forget when talking about efficiency is that you can use that increased efficiency in different ways. And it doesn't always mean 'MORE POWER!!'. We usually see a somewhat balanced approach, but it's possible that they've sacrificed on horsepower a bit to produce low watt cards that will have big advantages in a wider variety of applications.
As far as the new XBox goes, that wont be coming til 2017, some sources saying Fall 2017. Anyways, 390X is already 6TF, so P10 doesn't need to do anything but match that at a low power draw in order to be console-ready.