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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:26   #1
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eBay seller wants me to return faulty item at my own cost and will then reimburse me - bad idea?

I recently bought a keyboard from an eBay business seller. Unfortunately the keyboard is faulty and I need to return it for a replacement.

In the seller's T&Cs for the item they stated that they would "arrange a collection or send postage labels" for any faulty goods collections. However, in their most recent email they told me to return it at my own expense and they would reimburse the postage cost.

My concern here is that once they've received the item they will "forget" about my postage costs. The keyboard is heavy and expensive, so my costs are likely to be quite high.

1. Is the seller under any legal (or eBay rule) obligation to pay for the return postage first?

2. If they refuse to pay for the return postage once they have received the keyboard, can eBay/PayPal take money from them and give it to me?
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:28   #2
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Business sellers have to refund postage but private ones do not. If you are not happy file a dispute with ebay.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:28   #3
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Has it been 14 days since you purchased it?
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:30   #4
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Has it been 14 days since you purchased it?
No, it arrived on Monday and I contacted them the same day.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:37   #5
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Send it back under DSR. They have to cover postage, and can't charge you restocking fees.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:41   #6
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Send it back under DSR. They have to cover postage, and can't charge you restocking fees.
If I return under DSR then I'm responsible for return postage (they had the correct clause in their T&Cs), so that doesn't help!
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:53   #7
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If I return under DSR then I'm responsible for return postage (they had the correct clause in their T&Cs), so that doesn't help!
I would've thought DSR is a set regulation. Not one that can be altered by businesses T&C.


If you're that concerned, send it back, gather evidence of them saying they'll reimburse you, if they don't then take it to small claims court.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:53   #8
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If I return under DSR then I'm responsible for return postage (they had the correct clause in their T&Cs), so that doesn't help!
They refund you the original postage, you just pay for returning to them, which is quite right tbh.

Them returning the original postage is leaving them out of pocket so you cant expect much more.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 08:55   #9
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Them returning the original postage is leaving them out of pocket so you cant expect much more.
Please read my original post. The item is faulty. They are obliged to reimburse my return postage as well.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 09:00   #10
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Exactly. So, what you should be doing is finding the relevant legal bamf (how is this not a word according to my spellchecker) and sending it to them, stating both your consumer rights and why you will not be budging from them. They will back down.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 09:08   #11
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Please read my original post. The item is faulty. They are obliged to reimburse my return postage as well.
Are they though? If so just provide them with the statute that says so, doubt they're going to be that bad about it.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 09:09   #12
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Send it back if they don't refund the postage file an eBay complaint with the evidence showing that they said they would, job done.
Although they will probably just refund your postage costs once you've sent them a copy of the receipt anyway, it's not worth the hassle to try and scam you when they know eBay will just give you the money back anyway.

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Old 30th Jan 2013, 10:43   #13
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I don't see the problem? I do exactly the same with my ebay sales. I repay them the postage they have paid when it arrives back and is found to be faulty.

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Old 30th Jan 2013, 10:50   #14
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I don't see the problem? I do exactly the same with my ebay sales. I repay them the postage they have paid when it arrives back and is found to be faulty.
Agreed, i imagine its to stop people claiming faulty items and getting free return postage only for the item to end up not being faulty.

Just send it back and then take action if they fail to refund you.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 11:47   #15
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Agreed, i imagine its to stop people claiming faulty items and getting free return postage only for the item to end up not being faulty.
Yes, that's a good point. I'll be brave (stupid?) and trust that eBay will help me if the seller starts messing me around.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 13:27   #16
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Its good asking about it, but at this point you are left with only one good option, which you've already figured out!

big eBay sellers do tend to want to avoid bad reviews!


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Old 30th Jan 2013, 13:30   #17
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I've done this several times.

It's easier for the both the seller and buyer if the buyer arranges the return. Just keep the receipt from the post officer, or courier.


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Old 30th Jan 2013, 13:32   #18
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Always the chance the seller decides to not reimburse the postage though.

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Old 30th Jan 2013, 13:35   #19
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I would've thought DSR is a set regulation. Not one that can be altered by businesses T&C.
Recent change to DSR means that if a seller states in their T&Cs that they will not cover the cost of returning an item under DSR then it is the customers responsibility and perfectly legal.

However if the item is faulty he shouldn't be returning it under DSR.


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Old 30th Jan 2013, 13:45   #20
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It's DOA which means the seller is legally obligated to pay return postage just like any other trader/company.

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Old 30th Jan 2013, 13:46   #21
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Send it back under DSR. They have to cover postage, and can't charge you restocking fees.
They don't have to cover postage fees on a DSR, they do on a return for fault though.
The only postage fees you can reclaim on DSR, is the amount you paid to get the item to you in the first place, but I can imagine that alot of resellers would tell you to do one, and it's not really worth having a massive argument over a couple of quid.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 14:00   #22
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Always the chance the seller decides to not reimburse the postage though.
But then you could say, "always the chance you buy it, and they don't send it."


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But then you could say, "always the chance you buy it, and they don't send it."
Bit more clear cut that one when you get ebay involved.

The other favourite is the seller simply says they never received the broken item, which forces you to pay extra for signed for delivery.

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Old 30th Jan 2013, 14:22   #24
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My concern here is that once they've received the item they will "forget" about my postage costs. The keyboard is heavy and expensive, so my costs are likely to be quite high.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 14:27   #25
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The seller will prob wait until the item is tested to be proven faulty. If it is not faulty they do not have to refund the postage you paid.
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