Mclaren might be in the poo big time [ANCIENT THREAD REVIVAL]

knip · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:47

NathanE said:
This is just stupid stupid stupid. The smug face of Jean Todt exiting the car is just so annoying as well - I wish they would stop repeating it.

I hate the little hobbit with a passion!

Fishman · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:48

$100 million is an awful lot. I would like to see Mac secure drivers championship and boycott any remaining races

knip · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:48

Go Murray Walker, im with you!
Whole thing stinks!

//Mike · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:49

It's certainly a tricky situation for the FIA and WMSC to handle...

Ceryndrion · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:49

I thought that the verdict was regarding the possession of the data, and not that the cars had benefitted from said data..

perhaps I am wrong.. will be interesting to read the official explanation of exactly WHAT they have been found guilty of

Glaucus · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:50

can we expect rons resignation in the next few days? One way to shift blame.

Ceryndrion said:
I thought that the verdict was regarding the possession of the data, and not that the cars had benefitted from said data..

perhaps I am wrong.. will be interesting to read the official explanation of exactly WHAT they have been found guilty of

yep I haven't seen any storys that confirm *** car benefited, which means it's a bit early to jump on the ban the drivers points as well.

knip · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:50

AcidHell2 said:
can we expect rons resignation in the next few days? One way to shift blame.

Oh please God no....he has to stay and stick two fingers up to the hobbit!

Wicksta · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:51

Slam62 said:
Maclaren are going to have to try to clear their name surely

If they clear it, will you learn to spell it

el_dazza · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:51

AcidHell2 said:
can we expect rons resignation in the next few days? One way to shift blame.

I can't see it myself. He's stuck with the team for so long and handled so much controversy in the past. This might be a new level by anyone's standards, but he'll be going nowhere I don't think.

//Mike · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:52

Doubtful AH2, Ron has always said the Constructor's was more important than the driver's championships and with a character as strong as his would want to go out on a massive high not only for the press but also for himself.

Mp4 · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:52

All a shame for Mclaren

burn Ferrari burn

Emlyn_Dewar · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:56

Sky News story was really good I thought, Murray's opinion is always welcome.
Bloody ridiculous penalty in my eyes, championship is completely hollow and anyone that wins will be through default or "cheating" :rolleyes:

Type_R · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:57

Mp4 said:
All a shame for Mclaren burn Ferrari burn

Quite the opposite, if they hadnt cheated none of this would have happened and equally I believe they would not be leading either the drivers or constructors championships

hominid · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:58

They benefitted because they knew where Ferrari were cheating at the beginning of the year. Coughlan was told by Stepney the way the ferrari floor flexed up at speed, thus an illegal device.

But apart from that I can't see any other evidence. I like to see with a lot of you guys what evidence they thought was strong enough to impose that sanction.

The whole thing stinks!

SIAT · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:58

Fia have always been biased towards ferrari, this just proves it.

Toyota have copied the entire ferrari car and the fia despite a court convicting employees of stealing info have done nothing at all. Now this.

Mp4 · 13 Sep 2007 at 18:59

Type_R said:
Quite the opposite, if they hadnt cheated none of this would have happened and equally I believe they would not be leading either the drivers or constructors championships

Mclaren have always owned tbh , they will bounce back waiting for the conference results i want to know what NEW evidence they have FIA have always licked Ferrari's arse

NathanE · 13 Sep 2007 at 19:00

"The team must also prove there is no Ferrari 'intellectual property' in their cars next year before racing."

Is that even possible?

1. F1 is all about copying other team's ideas. Lotus basically wrote the book on how to build a F1 car and run a F1 team. Does that mean all the F1 teams since then are using their intellectual property?

2. How do McLaren even know if something belongs to Ferrari? Technically (and I believe) they shouldn't/wouldn't know.

Emlyn_Dewar · 13 Sep 2007 at 19:01

Type_R said:
Quite the opposite, if they hadnt cheated none of this would have happened and equally I believe they would not be leading either the drivers or constructors championships

Can you show me all the evidence you have to back up your allegations?
Until we see the whole story (which we probably never will) then this whoe thing just reeks of FIA/Ferrari BS.

knip · 13 Sep 2007 at 19:02

Sky news has it as their lead story now, if anyone can bear to watch any more....

Mp4 · 13 Sep 2007 at 19:02

NathanE said:
"The team must also prove there is no Ferrari 'intellectual property' in their cars next year before racing."

Is that even possible?

1. F1 is all about copying other team's ideas. Lotus basically wrote the book on how to build a F1 car and run a F1 team. Does that mean all the F1 teams since then are using their intellectual property?

2. How do McLaren even know if something belongs to Ferrari? Technically (and I believe) they shouldn't/wouldn't know.

No1

They already have 2008's car ready to be built, if not built already. So Fia will look at this

2nd

what you said

Mclaren should leave F1 tbh