Mclaren might be in the poo big time [ANCIENT THREAD REVIVAL]

After reading the evidence today how the hell are the Mclaren drivers aloud to keep there points

The points they have are points they gained during the time they were testing info from Ferrari?? they should have been docked the points they gained during them months.

Yesterday all them Mclaren fans saying FIA ferrari your team are just cheats if they win the Drivers crown it's because they had to cheat to win



If Ron can now take his balls out of his wifes purse he should now sack them cheating gits Pedro And Alonso

I thought Alonso was a fair driver guess not
 
Livestrong said:
If Ron can now take his balls out of his wifes purse he should now sack them cheating gits Pedro And Alonso

I thought Alonso was a fair driver guess not
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After the whole hissy fit over his team mate being liked more by Dennis etc i wondered if Alonso would do something to harm the team or try and mess things up, seems to.

He should be booted out of the team, afterall he doesn't seem to be a team player.
 
A team that never won a race last year were now leading both titles this year having had Ferrari data

It's cool you Mclaren boys may win the drivers title beacuse you boys are into cheating
 
Livestrong said:
A team that never won a race last year were now leading both titles this year having had Ferrari data

It's cool you Mclaren boys may win the drivers title beacuse you boys are into cheating
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Be fair - teams have gone from doing nowt to being title challengers in one season before (Ferrari '05 to '06 - the only won a race in '05 thanks to Michelin's ****-up).
 
Livestrong said:
After reading the evidence today how the hell are the Mclaren drivers aloud to keep there points
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Because they never proved that they benefited from the information & the FIA said if the drivers gave evidence, that they would not be penalised.

Livestrong said:
A team that never won a race last year were now leading both titles this year having had Ferrari data
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Do you actually watch & follow F1 or just trolling generally?
 
Yes that was because of the super michelin tyres in 2005 ferrari had poor tyres

But this year all same tyres a Mclaren of no understanding of how to run these bridgestone tyres.

And all of a sudden the renault team the title winners struggle but Mclaren are winning both titles and there drives are emailing regarding weight Distribution

Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car's Weight Distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator
 
Livestrong said:
Yes that was because of the super michelin tyres in 2005 ferrari had poor tyres

But this year all same tyres a Mclaren of no understanding of how to run these bridgestone tyres.

And all of a sudden the renault team the title winners struggle but Mclaren are winning both titles and there drives are emailing regarding weight Distribution

Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car's Weight Distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator
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Fisi and Heikki are hardly championship contenders though, McLaren are doing well as they Alonso is a stonking driver, likewise Hamilton. Now if we were to see a reverse and see whether that would be the case if they all switched cars then who knows. I'm happy to hedge my bets that Lewis and Fernando are more talented and able to feedback to the team.
 
Livestrong said:
A team that never won a race last year were now leading both titles this year having had Ferrari data

It's cool you Mclaren boys may win the drivers title beacuse you boys are into cheating
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:rolleyes: Are you trolling !?!? You can't prove anything - just another armchair keyboard warrior :rolleyes:

An F1 car takes longer than a month to put together (Spygate started in March 07) and some of the data that McLaren had from Ferrari didn't work with their car anyway.
You can't just bolt on pieces from a winning car and go from a mid table team to Championship leading team.

Ferrari have gone backwards because most of their 'dream team' have left.
 
SDK^ said:
An F1 car takes longer than a month to put together (Spygate started in March 07) and some of the data that McLaren had from Ferrari didn't work with their car anyway.
You can't just bolt on pieces from a winning car and go from a mid table team to Championship leading team.

Ferrari have gone backwards because most of their 'dream team' have left.
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I agree, however it does look probable that they at least tried to cheat, IMo the drivers should off been chucked out as well. As much as I hate saying that. But that's the fia decision and I will be supporting lewis regardless. I will still see it as a fair win, if he makes it. As I doubt the info made any real impact on eh cars.
 
It makes for some pretty shocking reading but I'm even more certain now of Ron's stance of this. McLaren as a whole had nothing to do with this. It was all the doing of some individual employees (at both teams).

I really don't see now at all why the FIA have punished McLaren. They should have banned all those employees (including Alonso) from motorsport for 10 years. For starters they have left Ferrari (by their logic of punishing the teams and not individuals anyway) unpunished. Why is it only the people on the receiving end that get punished? Surely the people LEAKING the information should get an even greater punishment?

I really feel for RD. He tried his absolute best to make the truth come clear but the FIA has simply spat it back in his face and put Ferrari-spin on the whole situation. As RD said yesterday it has damaged McLaren's reputation and if that is what the FIA wanted to do then they have succeeded.

Alonso received all this information. It baffles the mind why he has gone completely unpunished. He, potentially, won Monza due to his knowledge. It would certainly explain his dominance over everybody else including Hamilton his team mate that weekend.

*Clap clap clap* ******* FIA.
 
Drivers were given immunity if they gave evidence, unless they withheld evidence that was later proved to be in their possession.

Sadly, this demonstrates the FIA's want to get at Mclaren/Dennis personally. Why else would they guarantee that, even if they were cheating, the drivers could get off without punishment. If it was for the good of the championship, they would have SURELY reserved the right to DQ them if they were proved to have gained by cheating and breaking the laws of the sport. Because that would be in the interests of the championship - removing cheats.

My personal thoughts are that the drivers should be DQed too (sadly the FIA chose to guarantee immunity) because if the constructor's championship was affected enough so as to mean Mclaren gained an unfair advantage, why can they still continue to race with an illegal car...

Whatever outcome, I think Coughlan/Stepney have done more damage to F1 than even the average 'racing' we get to watch nowadays has. At the end of the day, they set this whole shocking affair rolling and should be duly punished by not only the sporting courts, but whatever laws apply to them in terms of industrial espionage/sabotage.

Edit: Wow, just read further the ITV article, which is a lot more in depth than PF1's coverage. It's very interesting to read about the gas used to inflate the tyres and other aspects De La Rosa/Alonso discussed.
 
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NathanE said:
It makes for some pretty shocking reading but I'm even more certain now of Ron's stance of this. McLaren as a whole had nothing to do with this. It was all the doing of some individual employees (at both teams).

I really don't see now at all why the FIA have punished McLaren. They should have banned all those employees (including Alonso) from motorsport for 10 years. For starters they have left Ferrari (by their logic of punishing the teams and not individuals anyway) unpunished. Why is it only the people on the receiving end that get punished? Surely the people LEAKING the information should get an even greater punishment?

I really feel for RD. He tried his absolute best to make the truth come clear but the FIA has simply spat it back in his face and put Ferrari-spin on the whole situation. As RD said yesterday it has damaged McLaren's reputation and if that is what the FIA wanted to do then they have succeeded.

Alonso received all this information. It baffles the mind why he has gone completely unpunished. He, potentially, won Monza due to his knowledge. It would certainly explain his dominance over everybody else including Hamilton his team mate that weekend.

*Clap clap clap* ******* FIA.
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I doubt data from May would be still helping Alonso at Monza, F1 moves way too quick for that, the Ferrari data probably helped him at the start of the season especially with the tyres, and his setups were passed to Lewis who benefited to indirectly but anyway I dont think the data really makes much difference, Ferrari are crap this year with their data, why would the data from Ferrari make McLaren better when it is no help to Ferrari?

The only real thing McLaren got was the details of Ferrari's floor which they got banned, when normally Ferrari would have got away with that for a lot longer before others clicked on, and some strategy, but look at Ferrari strategy this season, nothing you could not guess really and some really idiot strategy as well.

I think McLaren deserved punished and maybe the drivers too, but not this much, maybe a 2 race ban would have done it. And the FIA should donate the fine money to the smaller teams, Williams included haha
 
The thing that made me laugh the most today was watching practice on SPEED and they were talking about how next season McLaren will be down the pitlane due to 0 points and they will get a nasty little corner in the paddock which wont be big enough for their motorhomes, might just be me but the thought of Ron sitting in a caravan or tent beside Spyker just makes me laugh.
 
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