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Annoyed with Direct X 10 Hype...

Yeah the 360 is hybrid.

Yup 360 isnt Dx10, but the architecture of it is sort of similar to Dx10, (has the free 4x AA for example, as Dx10.1 will bring, has the streams as well i think), so ATi had a huge head start on Nvidia at Dx10, as Nvidia have never ever done it before, their 8800's are their very first go at it, and they are blowing ATi clean away at the moment, should be the other way around.
 
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@ J.D, I DO remember saying it but it was so trival as I am Scottish I assumed it was not that but something else, again you like to get last dig in, so I really am setting to ignore now.

You again want to act the fool, but make out your the victim and cant grasp some basic business practice of spying on others/stealing their TECH.
 
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Also looking at a RIVAL's Architecture WILL help, you can see strong and weak points and better it and learn from it.

I can't see your reasoning on this as they both have different architectures.

Edit: I've deleted most of my posts in this thread as I don't want to bring this personal carp to these forums as it's not needed :(. Sorry about that folks. We all get heated once in a while :o. :D.
 
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How can they tell its the same or diff till they look at it, they can take good/bad points and DEVELOPE their own TECH, you really are nieve if you cant grasp this normal practice.

Makes perfect sence and the one who made the last move has the benefit of hinesight, its very rare for a top GPU not to get beaten by the rivals next model esp all them months later.
 
How can they tell its the same or diff till they look at it, they can take good/bad points and DEVELOPE their own TECH, you really are nieve if you cant grasp this normal practice.

Makes perfect sence and the one who made the last move has the benefit of hinesight, its very rare for a top GPU not to get beaten by the rivals next model esp all them months later.

Again - personal insults. I give up with you :rolleyes:.

8800GTX does the old way of things and does it perfectly. ATI took a different approach that will be adapted by Nvidia very soon ;).
 
Again last word from you and such a baby you call that a insult, aswell as reporting you I will add that ignore although I have never done it yet only said so.

Nvidia aint on a old way, their way is far better than ATI's, they jumped to new TECH with 5000 (ballsup) series then again with this series so that info is wrong, there is actually threads here with more details.
 
Again last word from you and such a baby you call that a insult, aswell as reporting you I will add that ignore although I have never done it yet only said so.

Nvidia aint on a old way, their way is far better than ATI's, they jumped to new TECH with 5000 (ballsup) series then again with this series so that info is wrong, there is actually threads here with more details.

Yawn. Call me a baby then report me LOL. Reporting me for what?. You insulting me?. Go ahead as it's plain to see from your posts that you have been arrogant and low. I deleted my posts as it wasn't needed on these forums and still, you continue to say what you do. Add me on MSN as I've already added you then let's continue this ;).

Are you trying to say that Nvidia won't be going this way?.
 
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Well currently ATI are not so great at DX10 but will improve I'd imagine whilst Nvidia are doing pretty well. Lets see what the driver releases bring :D.

Lets change the background to Tartan ;).
 
The court was told that soon after the party came into DX10's Bar, Nvidia spat at ATI and called him 'a stinking Canadian'. ATI punched Nvidia, and Intel hit him with a bottle. Nvidia kicked ATI in the groin and threw a pint of beer in Intel's face. This led to ill-feeling , and they began to fight.
 
***GUILTY***
Ten years for every party concerned, sentance to be carried out at durham high security prison and then deportation upon completion to there respective country's never to grace this fine soil again.
 
Get a grip yourself m8, and never tell me what to do or grow up you dont have any say in either matter.

I never said you said I was stupid, I asked the question.

WFT Scottish thing, I am Scottish so what did you imagine I said in a thread ?

Also looking at a RIVAL's Architecture WILL help, you can see strong and weak points and better it and learn from it.


thats basically just wrong, looking at someone elses hardware, firstly, is fairly difficult, secondly copying parts doesn't work, thirdly, r600 had production problems more than anything and changes in staff, its likely the first silicone designs for the core were completed 1-2 years ago, with single cores made at massive cost, improvements/tweaks added over the time. you can not have a architecture basically finished, look at another card, and change your design to match, they run fairly differently. you also can't just cut out a single part and add in another, the whole ground from the 1st to the last is designed to work in sequence, you can not change a part of that because you want to, you can't.


from what i've seen world in conflict shows bigger drops in performance going dx9 xp to dx9 vista, and a similar/slightly worse drop in performance when switching to dx10.

ati made semi the right call, but wrong time. AA hardware is changing massively within the core. almost ALL games coming out now, all dx10 games are having issues with AA because simply, they do not use AA hardware. they are using other methods to improve image quality, ATi knew this, nvidia have complained about it. next gen, maybe the one after nvidia will be adopting a ring bus type memory interface, again it was just a touch early. the R600 is a case of insanely good tech, just misused and introduced to early. however, its worked fantastically by all accounts on their lower end units which are cheaper, and much better for the segments they are aimed out. they are winning contracts with big oem's over nvidia almost daily right now. ati HAVE infact seemingly won this round. for instance dell switching from mostly nvidia to largely ati is a MASSIVE, i mean a massive win for ati. there are a bunch of other oem's that are switching to use ati in the low end. if nvidia profits are 50% low end, 40% mid end, and 10% high end, and they are losing the low and high end they've failed massively. this is highly indicated by their massive push to get a midend card out cheaper to win it back, and lower end cards on a smaller process.

there are actually dozens of small things in world of conflict that look miles better in dx10. there are 2 games i think that run badly in dx10 really, that would be company of heroes mostly as it basically looks marginally better, if at all, for a massive performance cost. its main reason for performance drops is infact cpu overhead. if you can limited to run 100 particles because the overhead is large, but its a cpu intensive style game. then you add dx10, the overhead of the particles is reduced, leaving it like that the performance WOULD increase, but they added 100's of extra particles, adding further overhead to the cpu, and leaving more to be drawn by the gpu. it was just a terrible update. bioshock runs very similar speed dx9/dx10, doesn't look worse.


arguments all over the net when sm3.0 was introduced, didn't really look any better, limited hardware, seemed pointless at first, a year later, games could do effects that looked good with it. coders need time and practice to make things look better, this is the first try with dx10, and most of the games were largely designed and coded working with dx9 hardware and experience. dx10 will take time to mature, get over it. we have q6600's all over the place here, yet they are barely being used. we have dx10 ahrdware for months before first dx10 games. we had dx9 hardware months before dx9 games. guess what we'll have dx10.1 hardware before we see dx10.1 games and the first ones of those will appear no different, it will always be that way.
 
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