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I ordered yesterday a second class delivery from royal mail for a deathadder mouse to arrive on monday. Is it not going to turn up then?
Royal Mail Strike Action
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See, that's the problem.
Too many think this is just about pay. It's real people's livelihoods on the line, people with kids to raise and mortgages to pay. It's about deeper issues.
Yes, because they are acting in a short termist fashion preying on the greed of some of their members for short term gain over a stable future business model.
Do you not think they are trying to achieve what they think what is best for their members? Preying on greed? I wouldn't be happy with 2.5% either. Its also more than that, they are also trying to protect their pension rights. Future business model? Imo, I cannot see Royal Mail lasting another 5 years before collapse
And I'll think you'll find the union gives very little choice in the matter, by choosing striking as a first option and encouraging militancy and outcast status for those who refuse to go along with it (as has been seen in this thread)
Sorry I fail to understand that. Very little choice? Well.. what else can you do? Hold a tea morning? They did have choice, vote yes or vote no. Even with a mandate of a yes vote, that does not mean that member has to strike even if they voted that way. I fail to see what is militant about trade union activity, nor out casting of those who wish to continue working. It is their choice. How can you be outcast if you continue working and are not a CWU worker? I suspect that you have neither trade union experience or ever visited a picket. I supported a CWU picket back in the 90's when I had more affiliation. I will admit one thing, the postal workers are a rabble bunch especially on a picket though!
If you can blame the employer, you can blame the union. At very best it's six of one and half a dozen of the other...
The employer calls the shots, not the other way round. Unions tend to be reactive or proactive, rarely the instigators when it comes to derisory pay offers (no reference to CWU at present, but TU in general.
Allow the company to sack those who strike. If they are as valuable and as right as the union says, the company wouldn't actually sack them (it wouldn't make business sense) but it would remove the impunity that strikers currently have.
Trade unionism is essential in an era of globalisation and the continuing growth of powerful corporations. Yet trade union rights are constantly undermined and are the subject of steady erosion. The British government is regularly found to be in breach of ILO Conventions on trade union rights; as well as in breach of the European Social Charter of 1961 by the committee on Social Rights. It is not just the ILO. In February 1997, the Council of Ministers, the highest body of the Council of Europe, condemned Britain on the same grounds for breach of the European Social Charter 1961. The UK has been found in breach of these provisions consistently since 1989.
Britain has been condemned for years for having employment laws which breach the international laws which it has ratified; Britain remains an international law breaker.
The substance of today’s law however, is far removed and much weaker than the position established in 1906 in the Trades disputes Act. The new Bill Employment relations bill 1999 fails to rectify the Tories outlawing of all sympathy action.
However, trying to explain the savage deconstruction of trade union rights during the Conservative years of the 80’s and 90’s would probably be foolhardy considering.
There are two essentials of British law which explain why employers can dismiss strikers. First, there is no right to strike in Britain; second, all forms of industrial action are a fundamental breach of contract by the worker.
The International Labour Organisation has many, many times condemned these two characteristics as being profound breaches of ILO Convention 87. Last whenever (cannot recollect) the ILO Conference, with the support of the British Government delegation, adopted a Declaration of Fundamental Principles. First of these is freedom of association which, the ILO holds, includes the right to strike.
Allow the company to sue the party that encourages employees to breach their contracts for damages would also seem entirely appropriate to me.
None of the above would prevent strike action, it would simply make it not the first choice of militant unions.
No you are right, that wouldn't stop the Unions. Even though Labour has tried to distance itself from them, they are still a fundamental pillar of their history and still a great financial assistance to the party (not my personal view, my Union has no political affiliation. Nor could I comment on CWU). I would like to stress that from my experience at branch and national level with the PCS Union, that strike action is really the last resort. We have had several ballots (successfully I may add) for action short of strike.
So your tar all with one forked tongued brush technique does not quite wash with me...
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Sorry but that's exactly it, it's about money. It's not exactly a hard job is it, sorting mail or collecting or deliverying. It's time consuming yes but not exactly PHD worthy.
My point is, you take a job, either accept the pay or leave. People with kids and mortgages should take a long hard look at whats more important, bringing home a wage to support their families, or striking cause they dont agree with something that their paid well to do.
Shut up or get out imho.
You are very wrong
Pay is a factor agreed, but, new terms and conditions, pensions being threatened, broken agreements by senior management have all led to this action being taken.
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Im sorry but do you just expect everyone to get payed lots of money?
Im going to be going to uni working bloody hard to get the best results in A level and later uni. I want to work for a high payed job and i want to earn my money.
How many of them have good grades? How many of them achualy are bothered about working.
People who earn a lot work a lot harder then they do and they still get raped by taxs.
If they are having trouble with money why dont they cut down instead of expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Dont smoke, dont have sky TV. I dont have any of these and i dont need them either.
Im not saying everyone should be poor. But if they dont like the wages go get another job. But they probably cant because they were never bothered to work hard. If everyone got paid lots for simple jobs then why would anyone bother going through uni.
Where did I say that? Try reading posts calmly.
Meanwhile I will keep subsidising your university education with my taxes.
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Where did I say that? Try reading posts calmly.
Meanwhile I will keep subsidising your university education with my taxes.
I think you'll find his parents and extended family do that for him. Subsidise his education through tax, I mean.
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Where did I say that? Try reading posts calmly.
Meanwhile I will keep subsidising your university education with my taxes.
Your claiming that they do not earn enough to live their lives pritty much. But they do earn enough. Just not enough to live the life they might want to live. I want to live a life with a million pound house and my Porsche does that mean im being paid unfairly?
If they want to earn enough to do more things then they should get a new job. But they dont want too, they would rather complain as its easier too do.
I understand the need for pensions and damn right they deserve them. But every time ive seen a strike its been "we want to be paid more".
By protesting they are affecting the people who use their service not those which pay them. Further more by affecting those who use royal mail we are less likely to use t hem and royal mail are less likely to need so many postmen.
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Your claiming that they do not earn enough to live their lives pritty much. But they do earn enough. Just not enough to live the life they might want to live. I want to live a life with a million pound house and my Porsche does that mean im being paid unfairly?
I'm sure you will
If they want to earn enough to do more things then they should get a new job. But they dont want too, they would rather complain as its easier too do.
Did you read a few comments on this page? the strike isn’t just about wages ffs! Pension schemes & later start times is the main priority in these strikes.
By protesting they are affecting the people who use their service not those which pay them.
Thats the whole point of a strike, if RM managennt accepted the proposals the strikes wouldnt of taken place the whole world would be back to love and peace.
Some very narrow minded people in this thread it seems..
Oh! BTW nice to have a friday & saturday off for once instead of working at 5am
can go out on the lash tonight
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Well, it's clearly me seeing things the wrong way all these years. Thanks for your wonderful insight, I shall now mend my ways and be forever grateful to you for helping me on my way
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For the posties in this thread -
My item was dispatched Monday lunchtime (an Antec P190), via First Class Recorded delivery (I think). Poster was told item may take a few days by the post office, as it was quite a large item. Come today, and it has not arrived. Not surprised, as I already knew about the strike action.
My question is, when the strike is over next week, will my item be at the top of the list to be delivered? Or does it not work in a 'first come, first serve' type basis?
My item was dispatched Monday lunchtime (an Antec P190), via First Class Recorded delivery (I think). Poster was told item may take a few days by the post office, as it was quite a large item. Come today, and it has not arrived. Not surprised, as I already knew about the strike action.
My question is, when the strike is over next week, will my item be at the top of the list to be delivered? Or does it not work in a 'first come, first serve' type basis?
I was prepared to get a bit annoyed about this, had a failed delivery of my new contact lenses on Wednesday, couldn't collect them that day, and don't have enough to last through to next week.
Fortunately, my collection office in Edinburgh is open til 7pm as usual, score Shame it's a few miles walk away...but better than nowt. Does delay my student loan a bit more, forms stuck in the post, but I can live with that.
Not going to get involved in the general debate about it - don't know enough about the issues behind it, so I'll keep quiet.
Fortunately, my collection office in Edinburgh is open til 7pm as usual, score
Shame it's a few miles walk away...but better than nowt. Does delay my student loan a bit more, forms stuck in the post, but I can live with that.Not going to get involved in the general debate about it - don't know enough about the issues behind it, so I'll keep quiet.
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Some very narrow minded people in this thread it seems..
Oh! BTW nice to have a friday & saturday off for once instead of working at 5am
Nice of you to cut bits out my post.
The last statement of "If the RM management accepted the proposals the strikes wouldn't of taken place" is saying they have to accept proposals.
IVe been looking through news articles so far ive found this which achualy talks breifly about what you are saying. The other 3 or 4 ive seen have not. They weren't really aimed about the achual points it seems:
"Talks between union officials and Royal Mail broke down five weeks ago after the two parties failed to reach an agreement over the long-running issues of pensions, pay, job-cut fears and working conditions."
The point is. its a busness. They dont want to employ more people then they have too. The postmen what pay rises without people being fired. Logicaly that is stupid for a business when they are already talking about job-cuts.
The pensions as i stated in my post i agree with and its wrong. But you cut that bit out so you could say its not about wages when it obviously is also about wages.
Apart from the pension i think they should just get a new job if they arnt happy about it. But like i said. its easier to moan then take action. Well strikes are taking action... but its hardly difficult to not go to work.
:EDIT: Forgot to add the quote in.
Please explain to me if i am so wrong that these postmen are so terribly poor that they cant afford to live and there is no other jobs in the world they could possibly go to.
What am i wrong about?
I stated quite clearly the pension's is wrong and i think its immoral to try and take these away from people. But that was cut out of my post to make me look bad when you quoted me. Apart from the pensions i do not see them as having a leg to stand on.
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I'm sorry when I quoted you post, you must have edited it and added to it! which you have done.
You have edited this one again
You need to open your eyes get into the real world of working and you will see not all is rosy, pensions are a good example of this, can you honestly say if you worked for a said company for a long time & just about to enter retirement then everything changes, would you be annoyed & __ what would you do? Just leave
or speak out?
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Big Dave, you really don't know the first thing do you? I don't want to sound rude but please stop posting your opinion on this subject.
Thank you
Big Dave, you really don't know the first thing do you? I don't want to sound rude but please stop posting your opinion on this subject.
Thank you
Indeed I have hinted
tbh I'm not getting into a debate about the strikes anymore on here, its not worth it.
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Big Dave, you really don't know the first thing do you? I don't want to sound rude but please stop posting your opinion on this subject.
Thank you
Well, that was incredibly rude, and unnecessary. It's a public forum and anyone who abides by the site rules is able to express their opinion.
The wonderful thing about freedom of speech is that it lets everyone have a say, including those who don't agree with what you think. no-one's told you to stop posting, have the good courtesy to respect that others aren't whinging at you for posting what they may consider to be drivel, so please extend other posters the same courtesy they are giving you.