Obesity 'not individuals' fault'
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I am overweight. I have also been underweight and very well toned in the last 10yrs.
The direct correlation to that and only constant is ME. My mood, exercise, surroundings etc.
The onus is solely on the individual for the most part, I am overweight as my eating outweighs my exercise at the moment. However, some people do have eating conditions/disorders (e.g. leptin deficiency, thyroid problems) that does ease a little of their personal blame.
The direct correlation to that and only constant is ME. My mood, exercise, surroundings etc.
The onus is solely on the individual for the most part, I am overweight as my eating outweighs my exercise at the moment. However, some people do have eating conditions/disorders (e.g. leptin deficiency, thyroid problems) that does ease a little of their personal blame.
*smacks head against brick wall*
Yes but wait - I've always agreed with this.
I'm disgusted when I see fat people being served in fast food restaurants. I genuinely think that some people should be refused service if they cram too much worm meat.
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This is totally idiotic.
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But who are you/they to say they can't eat what they want? FFS! Human rights works both ways. Granted they shouldn't be eating more due to the health implications. And before anyone says extra NHS burden, they pay tax.
Remember obesity has been praised before now.
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This reminds me of an old "Not the Nine O'clock news" sketch. "I have a friend who thinks he may be fat".
Was more a general observation
The report makes some very reasonable points and conclusions, if anyone can be bothered to actually read it rather than the attention-grabbing media interpretation of it
I was more coming from the point of view that if I owned a fast food chain I wouldn't serve obese people for their own good [this is, of course, assuming that the business finances could allow for this!]. I was brought up in a school that was very anti obesity so the attitude has stuck with me, unfortunately. Most people are only obese because they're lazy.
Was more a general observation
The report makes some very reasonable points and conclusions, if anyone can be bothered to actually read it rather than the attention-grabbing media interpretation of it
Fair point. Got a link to the actual report?
In a few years I can see Labour issuing the population with an ID Card that has to be swiped every time food or drink is purchased. The calorie content of these items will then be deducted from a weekly calorie intake quota. If your out of credits you will be forced to purchase a healthy alternative.
This will probably be the final attempt to push the ID Card scheme through.
This will probably be the final attempt to push the ID Card scheme through.
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I'm not sure if many of the people posting here have actually read the article or not. But it just doesn't seem like the headline matches what is actually described in the content!
(oh wait, another shocking headline to grab attention - well I never!)
The actual content doesn't seem to mention anything about 'not blaming individuals' for being overweight.
In fact it seems to refer to the fact that we can't 'rely on individuals to help themselves' and so something has to be done (by people other than just the individuals affected) to try and reduce the problem of an ever increase weight problem in this country.
It is basically just saying that more needs to be done to discourage people from being inactive and from eating unhealthily. Because as we already know, there are too many individuals who are overweight, but aren't prepared to make the nessesary changes to their lifestyle.
So it's not saying that 'being overweight isn't an individuals fault', its more that if we don't want a country with a high population of overweight people, then something has to be done to encourage change. Original approaches were to 'inform' people about the dangers of being overweight and hope that this message would lead to them changing their ways. That approach hasn't worked and so with so many people still 'chosing' to be overweight, then another approach is needed to try and encourage a change in lifestyle.
(oh wait, another shocking headline to grab attention - well I never!)
The actual content doesn't seem to mention anything about 'not blaming individuals' for being overweight.
In fact it seems to refer to the fact that we can't 'rely on individuals to help themselves' and so something has to be done (by people other than just the individuals affected) to try and reduce the problem of an ever increase weight problem in this country.
It is basically just saying that more needs to be done to discourage people from being inactive and from eating unhealthily. Because as we already know, there are too many individuals who are overweight, but aren't prepared to make the nessesary changes to their lifestyle.
So it's not saying that 'being overweight isn't an individuals fault', its more that if we don't want a country with a high population of overweight people, then something has to be done to encourage change. Original approaches were to 'inform' people about the dangers of being overweight and hope that this message would lead to them changing their ways. That approach hasn't worked and so with so many people still 'chosing' to be overweight, then another approach is needed to try and encourage a change in lifestyle.
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Exactly! As per my post, I'm overweight as I eat too much for the level of exercise I do at the current part of my life. BUT, if I wanted to carry on doing this, it is my right technically.
So who are you - as the fictitious fast food chain manager - to say you won't serve them? You're discriminating. Granted you're right, but that isn't the point. Cigarettes and alcohol are sold to smokers and alcoholics respectively.
I cant see Labour being very popular then. They cant force you to eat anything. What about family shopping? I personally am a very fussy eater , whilst not overweight im in good shape and fit but not very healthy due to diet. They cant make people eat healthy, people will become ill and some take drastic action I fear.
Course its their fault... same with alcoholics, although some people have more of an adictive nature than others that doesnt automatically mean you wont be able to stop yourself
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its not up to anyone else to decide that... if they cant do it for themselves... do you think they'll listen to anyone else?
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its not up to anyone else to decide that... if they cant do it for themselves... do you think they'll listen to anyone else?
Think it's being hammered as it's slooooooow
http://www.foresight.gov.uk/Obesity/Obesity_final/Index.html
It's pretty big, but it's also evident that this isn't some slapped-together report but a lot of consideration has gone into it, certainly to the extent that "Obesity not the individual's fault" as a summary is totally inaccurate, IMHO of course.
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