Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in a headscarf

[drunkenmaster]

to be fair, the thing in his sig is him showing his free speech, he's not stopping christians believing in god. where the idea is the woman is expressing her freedom by wearing a headscarf as part of her beliefs and that the woman who owns the store turned her down for expressing her freedom. they aren't mutually exclusive at all, they are one and the same argument, he's allowed to, the woman sueing isn't allowed to.

however, well frankly i don't know the situation, these days theres so many people sueing so many people its impossible to tell from a crappy news story whose in the right.

the question must be asked, why was she turned down from all the other jobs. also, was it just the headscarf. you are allowed to seem enthusiastic on the phone and change your mind in a meeting. theres nothing to say on the phone she may have exaggerated her experience or something, a time honoured tradition known as lying to get an interview, which is no problem. but someone being nice on a phone doesn't mean you have a job, a face to face meeting could show she wasn't very good, had no experience or maybe she simply didn't like her.

has to also be mentioned, how many hairdressers cut their own hair exactly? none you say? i can't see the argument of her needing to advertise her own hair, its weak tbh. for every woman who see's someone with a funky hair cut and thinks great, theres just as many people that look at people with funky hair cuts and think "what a ******".

 

[Moley]

Silly cow has been turned down for hairdressing jobs 25 times, and she still hasn't got the message? I think that religion is the least of her worries, being hard of thinking seems to be a bigger problem for her...

 

[TheKnat]

I know its slightly off-topic, but here goes anyway.

If they aren't allowed to take off their scarfs for religious purposes (self imposed or not), then how do they get they're own hair cut ? If someone goes round to their houses to do it personally then wouldn't that be a job more suited to this person ?

Back on topic, I think if this person was turned down for the job because of the head scarf then thats wrong. I hope thats not the case as that isn't a road this country needs to take right now. I think its more likely that she was turned down for other reasons and she is just using this as an excuse to sue.

It does raise an interesting question though about where employer's rights end and employee's rights begin. How much can a person change a uniform (for any reason), before they are breaking the employee's rules enough to warrant a disciplinary action. Religion is a choice, at the end of the day, so if someone chooses to be Islamic and wear a headscarf, can someone else not argue that they are choosing to wear a cap ?

 

[Vasquez]

has to also be mentioned, how many hairdressers cut their own hair exactly? none you say? i can't see the argument of her needing to advertise her own hair, its weak tbh. for every woman who see's someone with a funky hair cut and thinks great, theres just as many people that look at people with funky hair cuts and think "what a ******".

I think the idea is that she wouldn't fit in with the style of the shop and I think an employer has right to refuse employment if they think it will affect the sales performance of their shop. They have a right to earn money and if they get sabotaged at every turn people being over PC then I don't think they'd bother.

 

[Ghosteh]

Most hairdressers are really hot looking(some are a bit chav-ish, but can't have anything), that's probably why she got rejected, not because of the scarf, but because she isn't exactly the prettiest little flower in the world lol.

I miss having my long hair, used to love having hot girls fondle my head .

 

[Vonhelmet]

She knows damn well what she's doing and is going to milk it all the way to the bank.

Mixed metaphor alert! Surely you'd milk it all the way to the dairy, or the fridge.

 

[Vonhelmet]

to be fair, the thing in his sig is him showing his free speech, he's not stopping christians believing in god.

Well, it's distasteful, but as a Christian I'm prepared to handle it with a private rolleyes and move on. It's hardly a serious criticism of Christianity, and it's certainly not in the same league as LOL BURKAS SEND THEM BACK!

 

[drunkenmaster]

Well, it's distasteful, but as a Christian I'm prepared to handle it with a private rolleyes and move on. It's hardly a serious criticism of Christianity, and it's certainly not in the same league as LOL BURKAS SEND THEM BACK!

but where does free speech end. something one guy finds distasteful another guy doesn't. racism is distasteful to lots of people, to other people it isn't. if there is truly free speech then someone should infact be able to voice his racism if he so chooses, if he can't then, we can't have free speech. we have every right to try and teach someone different, to teach them to not be racist.

if you have a racist who thinks say all muslims are terrorists, you can either let him voice his opinion, then counter argue his points and hopefully teach/show him he's wrong. if you simply tell him he can't be racist, he feels that other people are supporting those he feels are terrorists and thereby his views grow stronger, not weaker. if we can't freely express opinions, be them wrong or right, we can't grow or teach people properly.


Some people, infact quite a lot of people find christians preaching to others distasteful, but they haven't decided christianity should be outlawed. freedom of speech, sharing and learning to get along is the way forward, not oppressing all views that aren't the majority. sharing views, talking, discussion and learning is the way pretty much every thing has evolved in our world.

 

[Azagoth]

Mixed metaphor alert! Surely you'd milk it all the way to the dairy, or the fridge.

Hey, you know exactly what I mean!

 

[goldilocks]

would this woman have got the same treatment if she was wearing as headscarf because she had recently undergone chemotherapy / radiotherapy, and lost her hair?
or if she had alopecia?
if the answer is yes - then all three are issues of discrimination, and she has every right to sue.
if the answer is no, then it is blatent rascism, which is more than an issue about 'hairdressers should have great hair'.

the scarf is in no way stopping her doing her job, if she has adequate training, decent references - why should she not be considered for the position?

 

[FerociouS]

would this woman have got the same treatment if she was wearing as headscarf because she had recently undergone chemotherapy / radiotherapy, and lost her hair?
or if she had alopecia?
if the answer is yes - then all three are issues of discrimination, and she has every right to sue.
if the answer is no, then it is blatent rascism, which is more than an issue about 'hairdressers should have great hair'.

the scarf is in no way stopping her doing her job, if she has adequate training, decent references - why should she not be considered for the position?

Excellent Points!

 

[lumination]

Because clearly an employer should be able to stipulate a dress code.

 

[Amnesia]

maybe the dress code should have been advertised with the job then.

 

[megatron]

People are saying the headscarf is part of the religion. Is it or is it just part of their culture. Like part of our culture is that chavs have a certain dress code, shellsuits and jewelery or something.

If its part of their culture rather than their faith, i.e. what they consider modestly dress; then surely "when in Rome do as the Romans do".

 

[wormwood]

the scarf is in no way stopping her doing her job, if she has adequate training, decent references - why should she not be considered for the position?

Applicant A- Wears a headscarf and refuses to abide by work dress code. Employer believes her employment would result in less custom than applicant C.

Applicant B- Wears a head scarf due to recent or ongoing illness is willing to abide by dress code but again may result in loss of custom compared to applicant C.

Applicant C- Striking young woman with funky hair do. People want to look like her and have hair like her. A great advertisement and her employment would result in more profits.

I know which I would pick. Yes I would feel guilty not giving applicant B the job but that is because I am a nice person. if I can clearly see one applicant would be much better for the business then I should not be accused of discrimination.

 

[Shoseki]

Wow that muslim woman looks really smug.

Racism is old... and the courts are hardly the place to solve these issues.

 

[megatron]

People are saying the headscarf is part of the religion. Is it or is it just part of their culture. Like part of our culture is that chavs have a certain dress code, shellsuits and jewelery or something.

If its part of their culture rather than their faith, i.e. what they consider modestly dress; then surely "when in Rome do as the Romans do".

Mrs Azmi, said it was her Islamic duty to wear the veil in the presence of adult males who were not blood relatives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=492407&in_page_id=1770

Last quote supports what I was saying in the first quote. edit: maybe it doesn't I read Islamic as Arabic.

 

[fini]

Actually Mrs Azmi was wrong and a complete idiot (she's the teacher that refused to remove her veil).

Islam says that you should wear a headscarf when in front of adult males who are not your husband. It also says that you should only be wearing a veil if you are the prophet's wife - which nobody living today is. Veils, and thus the burka and niqab, are thus cultural - and frankly not in line with what the Koran says - whilst a headscarf is religious.

 

[TheCrow]

Its really geting silly what you can get away with nowadays, I know im not alowed to wear what ever i like to work, and im not allowed to cover my head/face in shop. Why is there double standards 1 for muslims 1 for everyone else??


She obv not very good at her job after 25 failed interviews, so that would be loss of arnings??o ye loss of our tax money to support her nt earnings from a job!

 

[_PD_]

**** OFF!!!! Why can't all people like her just shut the hell up and appreciate what she really has.