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ATI 3870XT vs 8800GT Official review @ Legionhardware

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Read all abbbaaaattttt it! http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=703&p=0

Conclusion

Well there you have it, another disappointing release from AMD/ATI. Although they have managed to undercut Nvidia by reducing the cost of the Radeon HD 3870 by around 12% when compared to the GeForce 8800 GT, we found that on average it was 22% slower. So then in terms of value the GeForce 8800 GT looks to preserve its position as the best value high-end graphics card ever released. The GeForce 8800 GT has proven to be a strong performer, as has the entire GeForce 8800 series ever since it was first introduced over a year ago now.

While we did have high hopes for the Radeon HD 3870, we actually really knew what to expect and although the results did disappoint, they certainly did not shock us. From a technical point of view, not much has changed here. Sure the die has been shrunk down to 55nm from 80nm, and the core and memory frequencies have been boosted, but with only a 256-bit memory bus, we never expected the Radeon HD 3870 to outperform the 2900XT and it certainly did not. Granted the Radeon HD 3870 was a little bit faster in some games, it was also a little bit slower in others and for the most part there was little to no performance difference between the 2900XT and the new 3870 graphics card.

In terms of performance the Radeon HD 3870 could easily just pass as a Radeon HD 2900XT. While the power consumption levels have been reduced, not much else has changed. So in essence what we are looking at is a $240 US version of the Radeon HD 2900XT. Normally such a thing would put us over the moon, as the Radeon HD 2900XT costs around $400 US typically. However, due to the recent arrival of the GeForce 8800 GT, even the Radeon HD 2900XT is not all that appealing at $240 US. After all the hype about the new Radeon HD 3870, we were hoping for more, as I said, but ultimately expected very little, which is what we got.

Perhaps the biggest cause for excitement was in the name, as Radeon HD 3870 suggests that this is in fact a next generation product. Rather AMD/ATI is just trying to stretch the R600 architecture a little bit further. So making the Radeon HD 3870 sound like something it clearly is not, will most likely upset a number of readers. Nvidia actually did the opposite by making the GeForce 8800 GT sound like another run of the mill GeForce 8800 series graphics card that was probably going to be a little bit slower than the GTS version. Of course the 8800 GT was much more, offering games a performance vs. price ratio that was unimaginable only a few months ago.

Anyway, the battle between the Radeon HD 3870 and the GeForce 8800 GT was over almost before it began really, with the 8800 GT dominating right from the word go. In most games the 8800 GT is a fair bit faster and at this stage it is our understanding that users will only pay slightly less for the Radeon HD 3870. Those that have already invested in a GeForce 8800 GT graphics card will be relieved to know that they have not wasted their money, as the Radeon HD 3870 does nothing to hurt that investment. While the performance offered by the Radeon HD 3870 is quite impressive given the price tag, we think it is about time for AMD/ATI to move on and develop a real next-gen product!

Well there you go, enough speculation, the cat is now officially out of the bag. Improved performance over the 2900XT, but relatively poor performance compared to the 8800 series, averaging around 20% of just over slower. Lets just hope R680 and more specifically R700 are monsters eh?
 
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Could easily pass as a 2900, you don't say. :p

'So in essence what we are looking at is a $240 US version of the Radeon HD 2900XT.'

Not a 2900 according to Gibbo, looks like he got owned. :D
 
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Best bang for buck is the GT, simple as, those considering a 3870 for good games performance at its current retail price need their heads examining when the GT beats the living daylights out of it for £20 more.
 
This is what the review tells me:

Its slightly faster than a 2900XT whilst at the same time in a few games its a downgrade from a 2900XT (possibly 256bit bus and GDDR4?), also it runs at the same temps as an 8800GT even though its using a DUAL SLOT cooler!

Funny really it was apparently going to be faster and cooler, but, its not.

People who were going to get an 8800GT but changed there mind and got one of these will be gutted :(.
 
The name change can't hide that its a cheaper 2900. They did it with the pro and now with this card. AMD needs a new chip full stop.
It has more features than the 8 series but fails to deliver on the most important of them all Graphics!!!
 
i said all along it's same as a 2900xt in performance .. and some people said no it can't be, it must be faster because it supports dx10.1... now u have prove it's the same..
 
I think the only good news for amd is they seem to have handled going to a lower process at 55nm compared to nvidias 65nm as they have a lot more boards out for release by the sounds of it. Now if only they can design a card that actually works with todays games we should hopefully see some nice results from r700.
 
lol how many times are you going to tell us 'i told you so'? :) you're not exactly robinson crusoe fella ;)

not many positives from the review, anyone wanting one should wait a few weeks ...the price should drop a bit you would think.
 
Anyone smell a rat? UT3 40% faster on a GTX than the 2900XT, when we have a seen 5% different in other reviews.
 
Anyone smell a rat? UT3 40% faster on a GTX than the 2900XT, when we have a seen 5% different in other reviews.

Looked about right tbh, I dont smell any rat's, maybe you got rats in your loft?

Funny aswell how people thought they'll get this over the GT coz it is cooler and uses less power, it hardly uses any less power and is just as hot, I mean, really, its not something to buy :o

If you could download graphics cards I would proberbly download the 3870 and buy the 8800GT.
 
hehe, i told you lot this a long time ago. 2900 is crap and now the 3 series is crap. if i were to make a prediction right now, id say that r700 will also be crap. ;)
 
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