The Holy Quran.

[Abz]

I have a question. Would I go to hell for my lack of faith if I was born in a remote place on Earth and lived my entire life there having no contact with anyone but myself and nature? Completely shut off from everything and having no way of knowing about holy figures and how to please God...

ofcourse not.

As long is that your faithful in your doings and dont sin (eg kill, steal, casue problems etc)

LOL at please God. How you want to please God, perform a dance maybe, sacrofic a virgin etc lol

God is pleased if you Worship him (as long as you thank him for all the good things and bad things) and have faith in his prophets then you will be the first person to go to heaven (theres more to it but its a good start)

 

[magick]

Islam has the same text since day one, hence it is followed, no alteration, no flavours and no preservitives.

I heard that a unified text wasn't agreed on until about 80 years after mohammad died. The scholars saw islam was starting to branch and parts of the koran were being altered so they came to a conclusion that a single koran must be agreed upon and never altered or else islam could fragment like christianity and judaism. So the koran is actualy a synthesis of 7 or 8 versions of the koran that were going round at that time. I can't remember where I heard this though

Religon is a quide line to life. eg:

Do not kill
Do not take drugs
Do not steal
etc

It is everyones resposibility to understand something before they can jude it.

Islam means peace and they way it is now followed is not true.

To be honest at the heart of all the abrahamic faiths is a message of peace though that message tends to have been lost somewhere considering the astronomical number of people that have been tortured and killed in the name of these religions over the past 3000+ years.

 

[mks2005]

ofcourse not.

As long is that your faithful in your doings and dont sin (eg kill, steal, casue problems etc)

Cool, so I can completely ignore the existence of a God/prophet and as long as I live a sin-free life and I'll be ok? Yay!

 

[Abz]

I heard that a unified text wasn't agreed on until about 80 years after mohammad died. The scholars saw islam was starting to branch and parts of the koran were being altered so they came to a conclusion that a single koran must be agreed upon and never altered or else islam could fragment like christianity and judaism. So the koran is actualy a synthesis of 7 or 8 versions of the koran that were going round at that time. I can't remember where I heard this though

No That is untrue, as the Quran was written during the prophets time and they who copied it used the same text. The only difference is if you see an old Quran you will see in the text without lines over words, but in the new one you do as it makes it easier to read. I cant explain this very well.

To be honest at the heart of all the abrahamic faiths is a message of peace though that message tends to have been lost somewhere considering the astronomical number of people that have been tortured and killed in the name of these religions over the past 3000+ years.

I agree

 

[Abz]

Cool, so I can completely ignore the existence of a God/prophet and as long as I live a sin-free life and I'll be ok? Yay!

Almost lol

You must admints Gods existance and his prophets. You must have have faith

Why do we prey 5 times a day. All we say when we prey is read small verses from the Quran.

Call me crazy but your life is a gift from Allah and life is but a test. When you are faithful you wil be gifted heavly when you die.

 

[Le_Petit_Lapin]

Almost lol

You must admints Gods existance and his prophets.

Why do we prey 5 times a day. All we say when we prey is read small verses from the Quran.

Call me crazy but your life is a gift from Allah and life is but a test.

Sounds like rather a lot of effort, for an outcome you can't even be sure of to me.

 

[badbob]

Just view religious books as ethical pointers that you can pick and mix from, using your own logic to determine if it's right or wrong..

Murder- wrong
Gay sex- it's a persons right to do practise it
Eating pork- if you like it, eat it.

You certainly don't need to be religious to be a good person.

Why do we prey 5 times a day.

Waste of time. You're just seen as lazy or religios whack jobs, no one needs to pray 5 times a day. It is your right to be a Muslim and pray one a week, one a month....

 

[Abz]

Sounds like rather a lot of effort, for an outcome you can't even be sure of to me.

The Holy Quran is written prove.

Also put it this way, being faithful is the right way or being a monster.

Whats you view.

Islam teaches faithfulness, same with christainity

 

[badbob]

The Holy Quran is written prove

Of what? It doesn't proove anything, except people throught up phrases a long time ago and wrote it down.

 

[Abz]

Of what? It doesn't proove anything, except people throught up phrases a long time ago and wrote it down.

Oh forget it I give up, have you not read this thread.

It was brought to the prophet not to some people who decided what to write

 

[badbob]

"The Prophet" was a man, using religion to gain power over gullible people for his own gains.

Basically a con man.

And I'm talking about all religions here. Strange how the pope doesn't live in squalor.

 

[The Running Man]

Does the story of Soddom and Lot make the Quran? even the story of Abraham?

if you think that these portray anything like positive morals suitable for todays digestion, then i recommend that you read the passages again, quite carefully.

 

[Abz]

"The Prophet" was a man, using religion to gain power over gullible people for his own gains.

Basically a con man.

And I'm talking about all religions here. Strange how the pope doesn't live in squalor.

You will need to read in to his life, his doings and what the religon is all about. Your lack of knowledge is your weakness.

Try to read about it and understand before you speak. This is the problem with this modern era, people dont know and they speak.

I studied and read so much to come to this point of my life and faith

 

[Psyk]

One of the miracles of Quran is stories of pervious prophets, eg Jesus and the rest. How can possibly Muhammad PBUH know all the stories that the Jews and the Christains also agree on.

Don't mean to be disrespectful, but the most obvious explanation was that he read them or someone had told them to him.

 

[RDM]

Islam has the same text since day one, hence it is followed, no alteration, no flavours and no preservitives.

Not entirely accurate. The Koran was not collected as one volume until after Mohammed's death. About 20 years or so after. A definitive version was created at that point and there is no proof either way if it is 100% accurate.

Am not going to answer all the insults people have posted, I would have expected the Moderators to at least speak to them and ask them to be respectful.

As far as I am aware no one has actually been directly insulted. It is not and should never be illegal to criticise a religion in this country. If someone thinks Christianity or Islam or Atheism is a load of rubbish they are free to say so.

One of the miracles of Quran is stories of pervious prophets, eg Jesus and the rest. How can possibly Muhammad PBUH know all the stories that the Jews and the Christains also agree on.

Easily as they already existed before he was born, he could have been told them or read them (his illiteracy is not confirmed).

Religon is a quide line to life. eg:

Do not kill
Do not take drugs
Do not steal
etc

Pretty much the cornerstones of any society (the drugs bit less so), religous or not. Morality does not come from religion after all.

It is everyones resposibility to understand something before they can jude it.

Islam means peace and they way it is now followed is not true.

What if you understand something and still find it worthy of criticism?

As to what Islam means, to be honest it can only be judged by its followers not what it is "meant" to be.

 

[The Running Man]

"The Prophet" was a man, using religion to gain power over gullible people for his own gains.

Basically a con man.

And I'm talking about all religions here. Strange how the pope doesn't live in squalor.

yes, for me the icing on the cake was the intention to stop islamics from listening to anyone else after his death. by cementing his position as THE last prophet, regardless of whatever else happens, he had destined Islam to hold back its people for thousands of years to come (possible..)


Also, does no-one think it strange that God appeared to, and spoke to SOO many people so frequently in the olden days? read the story of Abraham.

Why did, for example the bible stop reciving additional chapters? did god just suddenly quit and decide not to bother speaking to anyone after that? Did god consider his job done? or fall out with mankind?

Or a more logical explanation would be that Abraham was simply a man with voices in his head - as he would undoubtably be judged by todays standards?

think of the repercussions of this, say Mohammed was a fraud, or indeed say that the christian church turned their backs on 20th century prophets. That could effectively mean that we do not currently understand how to worship god, to his hearts content...so why the stagnation? and why did it take so many hundreds, or thousands of years to get to that point 2000 years ago?

 

[Azagoth]

Perhaps someone could clear up just why these people seem to think it's OK to follow the 'teachings' of a misogynist paedophile.

 

[Abz]

Don't mean to be disrespectful, but the most obvious explanation was that he read them or someone had told them to him.

Your question is not disrespectful as you are searching for the proof which you are doing the right thing,

It is quite possible, he cant read or write so we can rule that one. In terms of someone tought him that is a possibility, but I tell you why that is not possible.

When the Quran came down to earth it was tought to the people, the same way when how moses brought it and the rest of the prophets.

Some of the verses in the text speak only in doing the right things. People back then, before Islam where very bad people. eg they who had girls as their first born or too much girls used to bury them alive to protect the family name (as girls used to be raped and pregnated hence making the girl bad etc) Islam came to stop that.

Also other things are some of the miracles the people saw during the prophet era.

Besides people with other faiths used to be killed when arrived in the those lands

 

[Abz]

Perhaps someone could clear up just why these people seem to think it's OK to follow the 'teachings' of a misogynist paedophile.

I dont understand if you say where is the proof that the Quran is for real... (which I gave to the best of my knowledge),

Where is your proof that the prophet was a paedophile !!!

Maybe if you start reading on some religons, if islam is not to your liking try something else.

Looking at your website you need help

 

[The Running Man]

do you think that people need a religion to tell them that it is wrong to rape a girl? or can those without religion make the same moral distinction?

the Quran did not "come down to earth" it was written by humans on earth.

yes Genocide, a particular favourite moral of religion, we have somewhat changed our views these days... one would hope? again totally against the will of religious teachings.. which actively advocate genocide against those who do not believe in the said religion...