English Football is over run with forieng players

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Fasle, look at the Italian team 4 player play out of German, half of the Scottish team play in England, do we produce to many "high classed" players that get a look in ever game or are we YES men

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy_national_football_team Yes Italians do not have as many "foreign" players due to the 3 player rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_national_football_team 7 players in England

Are we really that over run or do the clubs take foreign players because they are A) cheaper than English players and B) Easier to control
 
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cheets64 said:
Are we really that over run or do the clubs take foreign players because they are A) cheaper than English players and B) Easier to control
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Both really.
Forcing clubs to field English players will only cause more mediocre English players to play, this doesn't automatically create a bigger pool of elite players.
 
I know some wont like this but again i think you should take a look at scotland.
The national team are doing really well just now, and it just so happens that there are more Scots men playing for Rangers and Celtic than there has been for many,many years.

Also the fact we have Strachan and Smith who both want to play scots in the teams help.

There is simply not enough English men playing week in week out in the premiership.
Take Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea, All 3 could field 11 foreigners on a Saturday or in Champs League,
Lots of foreign managers mean lots of foreign players.
I bet you anything McLarens replacement is not English, cause ATM no one is a stand out candidate
How can that be good for English football?
 
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I agree with this..

To be perfectly honest, all though sacking him seems to be the obvious answer, it's like sticking a plaster on an infected wound. The damage is much deeper.

The problem that English football faces is the abundance of foreign players now playing in the premiership and the the lack of English players breaking through both here and abroad. The selection is becoming more and more restricted.

When you look at Germans, Italians, etc.. their top players are present in their respective domestic leagues and leagues abroad. English players don't have the same amount of exposure and presence.. I think theis was illustrated by the fact that brought on two Tottenham subsitutes for Englands front line.

We have to allow more English players in at the top end or last nights dissapointment will only become a common occurance.
 
cheets64 said:
Fasle, look at the Italian team 4 player play out of German, half of the Scottish team play in England, do we produce to many "high classed" players that get a look in ever game or are we YES men

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Waves at cheets64:) Actually there were four of last Saturday's team against Italy who play in the EPL

Scotland's team against Itlay last Saturday:

Gordon, Hutton, Weir, McManus, Naysmith, Brown (Miller 74), Fletcher, Hartley, Ferguson, McCulloch (Boyd 90), McFadden

Only one of those (Fletcher) is playing for a top team and even then is not a regular starter. Miller plays for Derby, McFadden can't get a game - enough said.

Now here's an interesting one, at the last round of Champions' LEague games here were the teams:

Rangers:

McGregor, Hutton, Cuellar, Weir, Papac, Hemdani, Beasley (Novo 69), Ferguson, Adam (Darcheville 62), McCulloch, Cousin (Naismith 78)

7 Scots

Celtic:

Boruc, Naylor, Caldwell, Kennedy, McManus, Scott Brown (Sno 89), Hartley, Jarosik (Donati 66), McGeady, Vennegoor of Hesselink (Killen 66), McDonald

5 Scots

Manchester Untd:

Van der Sar (Kuszczak 46), Simpson, Vidic, Pique (Evans 72), Evra, Ronaldo, Carrick, Nani, Fletcher, Rooney, Tevez (Saha 67).

3 Englanders?

Arsenal:

Almunia, Diarra, Gallas, Song Billong, Clichy, Walcott, Silva, Denilson, Diaby, Eduardo (Eboue 81), Bendtner (Adebayor 77).

1 Englander?

Liverpool:

Reina, Aurelio (Babel 63), Hyypia, Carragher, Arbeloa, Riise, Mascherano, Gerrard (Lucas 72), Benayoun, Voronin (Kewell 72), Crouch.

3 Englanders?

Chelsea:

Cech (Cudicini 46), Belletti (Obi 64), Alex, Carvalho, Bridge, Essien, Makelele, Lampard, Joe Cole, Malouda (Wright-Phillips 78), Drogba

3 Englanders?

So there we have it. 12 Scottish players (and only one of them in EPL) and 10 English players. This despite there being twice as many EPL sides in the competition than SPL sides.

Now, my point is this (please don't assume that all Scots are here just to have a go at you, it's not the case) - and you probably know this already - there are too many foreigners in your top clubs. The Scotland team has benefitted from having so many players involved in CL games playing against teams like Barcelona, Milan, Lyon, Stuttgart and so on. SPL has far more Scotish players than say seven years ago because there's no big money to pay the foreigners, many of whom were crap anyway and only looking for a Scottish club because they weren't good enough for the EPL.

and that's me sussed:p
 
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One of the problems I see is that English players at all levels are too highly paid so this puts top flight clubs (home and abroad) off. When you see a Championship player on x pounds a week, is he really going to want to move elsewhere for less? When you look at the likes of Gerrad, Lampard for example, they're average players who are paid world class wages.. which they are not and this was demonstrated last night.
 
I don't think limiting the amount of foreign players in the FAPL will help. It's against European employment law anyway so it won't happen.

A better idea IMO would be to limit squad size. That way the bigger teams wouldn't have English players sitting on the bench that could be playing 1st team football for another club.
 
the croatian manager summed it up for me, we are a proud nation (croatia) and we always have to prove ourselves.
our team (england), too complacent, too much money, not enough fight and/or industry.
our 'superiority complex' has done this
 
Either that or we need to look to the smaller premiership clubs for players. There seems to be this ideology that only the big 4 can provide players for the England team which frankly, is ridiculous. Instead of rotating between the recently rubbish Gerrard and Lampard, the manager needs to look for OTHER replacements. Off the top of my head now, I cant think of a team comprised mostly of players outside of the big four but I think it would be an interesting addition to the thread.

Ive gotta say though, does anyone else feel somewhat sorry for Scott Carson. I mean, I think everyone was sort of expecting him to be our saviour after Robinson. One mistake, you live and learn.
 
i disagree with the above.

we lost because;

we had lots of injuries, brought in relatively inexperienced players and played a system which took them out of their comfort zones.

last night in the commentary they say that an english footballer does 442. i agree. so why change it when the level of experience in the team is so low?

nowt to do with foreigners. Look at the english team, how many £30million rated players are there? probably 5 or 6 amazingly! (Rio, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Cole) plus god knows what Micah will be worth, Owen, Hardcheese, etc. all these players are products of the english system as it IS and as it WAS.

put a bad manager amongst them and spread a few injuries and it was plain to see that playing a different system we were going to struggle against a half decent side.
 
Its no coincidence that the english and spanish leagues are flooded with foreigners yet both teams underachieve.

Italy, Germany and France have much lower rates.

The good players at lower levels no longer come through because the clubs don't seem to be bothering looking at home as the english price is too high.

No one seems to bother going to a millwall and buying a million pound player with loads of potential and bringing him on. instant success is required.

As I said before Moyes was a better manager when he had to search for the likes of a tim cahill for a million rather than spend tens of millions on a ready made pile of ****.

The other issue for me is the standard of international football due to foreigners. The best players turn up for england look around them and see players that wouldn't even make the squad for their domestic team. In previous years playing for england was a mix of all the best players in the country, the highest level you could play.

Last nights england wouldn't finish in the top half of the premier league.

I would like to see a foreigner rule bought back in.
 
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nowt to do with foreigners. Look at the english team, how many £30million rated players are there? probably 5 or 6 amazingly!
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It's everything to do with foreigners, and hype.

The Premiership has a number of extremely good foreign players. These players help make their team mates look quite a bit better than they really are. The less capable foreigners, picking up undeserved salaries, simply push out your home grown talent and leave them unable to develop to be top quality players. Yes, you'll always get one or two coming through, but that's the problem, you've only really got one or two, and it showed last night. You can blame injuries if you wish but a country like England really should have strength in depth for all positions. Right now you don't.

The question really should have been "In a league awash with money how many over rated £30million players are there".
 
Are you sure about Germany? Remember reading this article on the beeb with Trevor Brooking:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6975955.stm

Some charts halfway down illustrating the percentage of domestic and foreign players in each of the major European Leagues in 2006/07.

Looking at that, Germany have exactly the same "problem" as England, but last time I checked, Germany qualified quite comfortably for the Euro's.
 
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