just wandering whether there is any hope in squeezing a high end graphics card out of ATI?.. as the 3870 is good, but only just pars with the 8800gt, and since it's ATI's most powerful card, are we ever going to see a truely high performance card from ati, or are they going to lag behind and produce the mid-range cards?...
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any hope for ati?
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To be honest it would be good for AMD if they pulled out of the high-end for a while and stuck to mid-range cards, as it'd decrease R&D costs and probably decrease production costs too. The only bad news if that happened is that Nvidia would charge your first born for their high-end cards and never release drivers.
It's not really that simple though, as AMD call the shots now and ATI have always worked alone AFAIK.
They won't give in, and if the rumours (fud) are even remotely true, the next gen stuff at least appears on paper to be pretty good. However being good on paper and being good in practice are two different things.
And its always been a pretty ferocious fight at the top, as has been said, "swings and roundabouts".
And its always been a pretty ferocious fight at the top, as has been said, "swings and roundabouts".
Not sure about really high end but the mid/high range getting to look good on both sides,nvidia brought out the 8800gt early because of ati so we can hope next year ati back on equal terms on the top of the range parts and push each other along.
These threads always confuse me - when AMD were giving Intel a right good hiding, where were all the "Are Intel defeated?" threads? And what about when the FX series were around - nobody seemed to dismiss nVidia.
I can at least partially understand it with Intel - they are a huge company and not being competitive isn't likely to hurt them that much. But nVidia must have taken a right hammering, and they just shrugged it off and started work on the 6800 series.
Daft, I tell thee!
I can at least partially understand it with Intel - they are a huge company and not being competitive isn't likely to hurt them that much. But nVidia must have taken a right hammering, and they just shrugged it off and started work on the 6800 series.
Daft, I tell thee!
Ultra High End cards are very important for both ATI and NVidia. If either company are perceived to be technically superior, then the marketing effect filters down throughout the entire range.
Similar to in F1 where BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Toyata etc loose lots of money at the High End, to help sell and improve the image and sales of mainstream cars.
However they spin it ATI are hurting right now.
Similar to in F1 where BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Toyata etc loose lots of money at the High End, to help sell and improve the image and sales of mainstream cars.
However they spin it ATI are hurting right now.
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Hopefully they can come back, R700 is rumoured to be close to, or is 2x teraflops, just have to wait and see, i hope they can start competing again, as it will be bad for us the consumer if there was only 1x, and that being Nvidia.
That's different because I think people were just on about the performance crown, and I don't remember anyone supporting the horrible FX series. Like I said this is different, because it's more of a serious financial/managerial situation than simply wearing an invisible performance crown.These threads always confuse me - when AMD were giving Intel a right good hiding, where were all the "Are Intel defeated?" threads? And what about when the FX series were around - nobody seemed to dismiss nVidia.
I can at least partially understand it with Intel - they are a huge company and not being competitive isn't likely to hurt them that much. But nVidia must have taken a right hammering, and they just shrugged it off and started work on the 6800 series.
Daft, I tell thee!
They're no more powerful than the normal cards in gaming, they're geared towards professional applications like computer graphics and design. Nvidia have the same thing only it's called Quadro (or something.)
Its the driver support, and the funky tricks that the programmes supports only with Quadro's and FireGL cards, that is what you pay 4, I have a Quadro FX 3500 at work, it really does make a difference, gaming cards don't stand a chance in this arena.
but the only way you can describe them is as high end cards, shame they cost 3X+ more.
Of course graphics cards can't compete in professional CAD, 3D work etc. They're not designed for it.Its the driver support, and the funky tricks that the programmes supports only with Quadro's and FireGL cards, that is what you pay 4, I have a Quadro FX 3500 at work, it really does make a difference, gaming cards don't stand a chance in this arena.
but the only way you can describe them is as high end cards, shame they cost 3X+ more.
Just like FireGL and Quadro can't compete in the gaming arena, because they're geared toward professionals and as such their price tag is far too high for us. I'm not even sure why you brought them up.
You can but they don't get all the instruction sets that the proper ones have.
I know it certainly used to be possible with older GeForce models, the "soft quadro" mod was a pretty popular one for CAD people, gaining them a £1000+ card for £400~.
Not sure if you still can though.
^^ not true, about the instruction sets, with the older GeForces (im talking back to GF2 and 3 days here), they were the same bar driver optimisation.
I don't think this is entirely true, they are after all the same cards (well loosely), yes they are optimised for CAD etc but I have heard of people playing games with these cards, some do support directx 10 for example.
I don't think my boss will like the idea of me running half-life2 on my workstation at work to fined out.