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8800 gt has the wrong bios - anyone else ?

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Hello all, I recieved 2 bfg 8800 gt oc 6 days ago & a friend put my pc together as he has built many pc's & i don't have much spare time at the moment.
When playing games the pc would crash so he has sent the last 6 days (in his spare time) trying to figure it out. He thought that maybe it was a driver problem first of all, then maybe a problem with the OS, then maybe with the PSU as when he just used one card the pc was perfectly stable.

He has now discovered that one of the cards has the wrong bios on it which is no doubt why when in sli mode the pc would crash, Has anyone else had this problem ? (thought it might have been a dodgy batch maybe).

Will be ringing ocuk tomorrow to start the rma process.
 
I don't know what bios the card has on it as i won't see my friend until tomorrow to get my pc back (he told me this problem via messages through msn messenger while i was offline so i had no chance to ask questions & it's too late now to ring him).
 
If he has two, one with the correct bios why not download from one and flash the other. You could be waiting awhile for a replacement considering stocks and very easy to do.
 
I've decided to just return the faulty one & get a refund as it's within 7 working days of recieveing it & then just wait for the 9000 series to arrive next year.
 
Is the BIOS not on the BFG website?

I have an ASUS card, and they've had the latest BIOS on their site since the 5th November, including all the instructions on how to find out what you're running at the moment and how to change.

Seems a waste of time to have to wait for a replacement if you can just reflash the BIOS in a few seconds.

P
 
I've had a look on the bfg website & can't find the bios for my card (or any card for that matter), I don't know the exact bios version at this moment as i won't see my friend for a few more hours yet but when i spoke to him earlier he told me that the 8800 gt was running at higher core speeds, clock speeds, etc that his 8800 gtx ultra.
So well above what you should even be able to clock it at safely, He said the pc would crash about half way through a 3d mark 06 benchmark. I will ring ocuk in an hour or so when the phone lines are open & find out if i would be put to the bottom of the queueing list for another 8800 gt oc, If yes then i'll just get a refund as i can't be bothered to wait weeks for another one but if i go to the top of the list then i'll order a replacement.
 
When you say wrong bios do you mean its not running at the correct speeds? I have seen another chap on the forum saying his BFG OC is only running 600 on the core instead of 625.

mines fine tho

EDIT : Having 2 different BIOS versions wont be enough to crash a system in SLI. Have you checked tghe temps as they could well be overheating
 
This is the bfg 8800gt oc bios
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C64 in your picture the bios version ends in .21 but the bios version on my card ends with .31. The card crashes my pc if used by itself or if it's used in sli with my other card but if i use the card with the correct bios version then my pc doesn't crash at all & runs perfectly.
My temps are fine (using rivatuner), My friend told me that the gfx cards temps have hit 74c maximum but generally run at about 70c while under load.
 
C64 in your picture the bios version ends in .21 but the bios version on my card ends with .31. The card crashes my pc if used by itself or if it's used in sli with my other card but if i use the card with the correct bios version then my pc doesn't crash at all & runs perfectly.
My temps are fine (using rivatuner), My friend told me that the gfx cards temps have hit 74c maximum but generally run at about 70c while under load.

Your friend is wrong, most nvidia cards throttle at 120c. Some (Many?) 8800GT's seem to be hitting 99-100c underload with their single slot 'stock' cooler with the fan running at low speed. However, with the two slot coolers, most Nvidia cards since the 5800 series have been maxing out at around 70c under load using the "nvidia reference" cooler with default fan speeds. The 8800GT reference cooler is a lot less efficient, but I assume Nvidia are quite happy for the GPUs to be running at a higher average temperature. Personally I dont like it :P

Was planning on getting one, but I dont want a 100c heatsource in my case raising ambient temperatures, as I like my PC to be quiet. Now waiting and hopeing that the G92 GTS (assuming the rumor is correct) will use a standard 2 slot cooler and be vented outside the case.

Comparing the clocks to an ultra is silly, the 8800GTX Ultra is an older process with a 'stock' speed of 612mhz, although many are clocked higher (watercooled leadtech 684mhz). The 8800GT is a 65nm process chip, with a 'stock speed' of 600 and many factory overclocked 700mhz boards are available. To be honest I would expect all 'OC' versions of the 8800GT to be clocked higher than a 'Stock 8800GTX Ultra'

Of course the Ultra will likely have higher clocked memory, and the advantage of a 384bit memory bus.
 
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My temps are fine (using rivatuner), My friend told me that the gfx cards temps have hit 74c maximum but generally run at about 70c while under load.

Those are perfectly fine load temps, my old GTS got hotter than that, and my GT gets to about 84+, and running perfectly fine.
 
SLI hasn't need the same GPU bios's since the first gen nforce 4 boards, it just has to be the same physical cards (i.e. 2 x 8800gt's). This sounds like a motherboard bios issue, I had a similar issue with a DFI Expert S939 board that kept crashing in SLI with a certain bios revision.
 
C64 in your picture the bios version ends in .21 but the bios version on my card ends with .31. The card crashes my pc if used by itself or if it's used in sli with my other card but if i use the card with the correct bios version then my pc doesn't crash at all & runs perfectly.
My temps are fine (using rivatuner), My friend told me that the gfx cards temps have hit 74c maximum but generally run at about 70c while under load.
There's obviously something wrong with the card if it crashes your PC on it's own, but I doubt very much if it's anything to do with the BIOS.

Companies go through many BIOSes during the lifecycle of a gfx card/mobo, and it's not unusual for each batch to have a newer BIOS version than the previous batch. If it was a faulty BIOS, then every card in that batch would be faulty, so it's more likely to be a hardware problem.

Btw, your first post made it look like the card worked fine on it's own, but not in SLI. That threw everyone in the wrong direction, looking for SLI issues. The fact that the card crashes your PC on it's own, makes SLI irrelevant. You should have just posted that you have a single 8800GT which crashes your PC. (it's only natural that it would do the same when SLI'd with a working card)
 
When you say wrong bios do you mean its not running at the correct speeds? I have seen another chap on the forum saying his BFG OC is only running 600 on the core instead of 625.

mines fine tho

EDIT : Having 2 different BIOS versions wont be enough to crash a system in SLI. Have you checked tghe temps as they could well be overheating

Phew, just typed a massive reply and accidentally closed the browser whilst looking for the URL to finish with so.....

That was me. Three weeks ago I fitted my new BFG8800GT OC, bought from a competitor, as they were cheaper and in stock.

When I came to check the clock speeds in GPU-Z, I noticed they were standard, so posted in one of those massive 8800GT threads (either the overclocking or rambling threads - they're a bit big now, but if you search through for my username and Meatloaf, you may catch our discussion and screengrabs)

Anyway, the upshot of it was, is that my card did have a different BIOS to Meatloaf. If I remember, mine ended .04 and his .07.

Also, in subvendor, his was listed as BFG and mine NVIDIA.

I got on the phone to BFG, and they said it was wrong, and I should RMA it.
I asked if they could mail me a new bios, or point me to a website with one on, but they said it would have to be RMA'd.

So... I did it.

What with the stock level problems of the past three weeks, I only got one back on Monday. Very miffed that after 14 days waiting with the competitor, they cancelled my RMA backorder, and just gave me a refund! Crap customer service, I asked them not to, but that's another story.

So, I ordered one from OCUK at the new revised (higher) price and they got stock last Friday, and I got my card on Monday..... as I said, three weeks later.

So, three weeks, and £30 more out of pocket, just because of the principle of not getting exactly what I paid for... not really worth it.

If you wait a week or two though, stock levels should be normal, and you could well get a fast turnaround?

Alternatively, I found this URL this morning, on the OCUK forums, which miffed me even more ;) After my 3 week wait, and £30 extra charge, I found this

http://www.mvktech.net/component/op...func,fileinfo/filecatid,2262/parent,category/

Yep, the .07 BIOS that Meatloaf has.

So, you could stick with what you have, essentially a bog standard 8800GT, with OC stickers on it.

RMA it, and get one with the proper bios (in fact my new one has a .21 bios)

Or take a chance with the URL above, flash it yourself, and convert your card back to a BFG 8800GT OC.

Personally, if that URL had been available three weeks ago, I'd have done that, but of course, I take no responsibility if you flash it, and it goes wrong somehow ;)

Other lesson learned? OCUK may well charge more than other stores sometimes, but their customer services are also much better!
After this disaster of a customer service from the unmentionable competitor (I wish I could mention them, I'm hardly praising them, I'd recommend never using them again) OCUK are excellent with RMAs and stuff, as I learned last year when I had a batch of faulty 7900GTs.

Anyway, hope this thread helps (inbetween my moaning) and from my perspective, it's nice to read that I'm not alone in getting a BFG 8800GT with the wrong, NVIDIA standard, bios in it!

As I said though, 3 weeks, and an extra £30 later, I'm sorted now :)
(Just in time for the GTS to come out) ;)

V1N.

EDIT: I found the original BIOS pictures.

Here is the (wrong) BIOS from my first BFG 8800GT OC

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Here is the image Meatloaf took for me of his BIOS version

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and here is the 8800GT OC that I received Monday



As I said, hope this helps... and don't forget, installing the latest Rivatuner will allow you to EASILY overclock back to the standard BFG 8800GTOC speeds, and well beyond.
 
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