'Muhammad' teddy teacher arrested

[Gaygle]

Are the mods actually keeping an eye on this thread, or is this level of ignorance, arrogance and complete hatred perfectly OK for what we are reapeatedly told is a family forum?

Would such comments be allowed if the word Muslim were replaced with Jew/Blacks/Gay, or Islam with Chrsitianity/Judaism/Atheism?

I am deeply disappointed at what seems to be the tacit approval of the feelings in this thread by the silence of those who moderate the forum.

TBH the situation is a British teacher allowed her class to name a teddybear, they chose the name "Mohammed" (or variations of). Now she is facing prison or lashes. How is that, in any way, fair, just and acceptable in this day and age?

Secondly, i would ignore what some people in this thread are saying, more specifically the morons that are going "kill all the muslims!!2!132". I think the only real problem muslims are the fundamentalists and, yeah, i wouldn't lose any sleep if these nutter fundamentalists all disappeared tomorrow. The people that post saying they want islam and everything wiped out are the type of people that are suseptable to certain a political party's rubbish. They just can't seem to differentiate between nutter muslims and normal muslims, so they just blame every muslim.

I mean, i'm not exactly down with everything muslims believe in, but i sure as hell aren't going to say i want them all wiped out.

So if I create a thread with posts about wiping Israel off the face of the earth or just nuking the UK, that would be perfectly OK?

I'm gonna leave it up to your better judgement to not make a thread about nuking a country that has done so much for you, your family and is apparently "home" to you?

 

[Shadez]

Nope and I have not suggested such a thing.

What is the purpose of this thread? Is it to discuss the the actual story or is it to have a go at Islam and Muslim's regardless of the merits of the story?

How can you discuss the story without "Having a go" at Islam. The whole story revolves around the idiocy surrounding the culture your religion has created.

 

[Cupra]

its a weird one, imo i dont understand the problem tbh

 

[@if ®afiq]

If you cant understand how repressed/stagnant and hypocritical the culture of your religion has become then i would say the ignorance is yours. If the ignorance is on our side you have done nothing to show us to be wrong.

Please explain how hypocritical, repressed and stagnant it is. It would be good to have examples that we can analyse.

Well i must admit people do tend to get a bit arrogant when they know they are right, and until proved otherwise will tend to stay that way.

That I agree with.

Apart from a few Nuke um posts ive seen nothing that would count as hatred. The only real hatred ive seen from this whole event seems to come from Muslim fanatics condemning the teacher.

Hatred towards minorites is generally only felt by he minority. Take for example the view by members on here that the words ******, ****, towel head are harmless - they may be for those that use them but not for those that they are used against.

And have you read any quotes by leading UK Muslim's saying how stupid this ruling is? Probably not as that would go against the whole Muslims = Backwards thing.

Im sure the same mix of posts and opinions/posts would happen if a Christian country was to arrest someone for calling a stuffed bear Jesus.

And I would equally speak out about such a thread, regardless of which group of people it is aimed at.

 

[Shadez]

So if I create a thread with posts about wiping Israel off the face of the earth or just nuking the UK, that would be perfectly OK?

Thats your choice and no one would stop you as you are free to express your own opinions.

 

[@if ®afiq]

And I am deeply disappointed that a UK citizen trying to do something to help the oppressed masses of Sudan better themselves now faces a medieval punishment woefully out of all perspective with what she's supposed to have done.

Agreed - I am in now way defending the ruling.

Are you surprised that feelings are running high and some people's blood is boiling? Why stop with her - it was supposedly the children who actually came up with the name, so why not sink fully into barbarity and flog them? If you're savage enough to beat or stone a woman, then why not children? After all, the Sudanese authorities are insisting there's a religious principle at stake here and it was the children that took the name in vain ...

You only need to look at the actions of the Sudanese authorities to see how Islamically inclined they are.

 

[@if ®afiq]

You didn't mind the mods allowing your posts saying you support Iraqis and Afghans attacking British troops

I'll re-iterate again - I support the right of any native to defend him/herself against occupation.

Do you not think there is a difference between supporting the right to self defense and posting about nuking/killing/insulting billions of people?

 

[bushmins]

Pull all UK citizens out of Sudan imo.

Quoted FT

 

[@if ®afiq]

TBH the situation is a British teacher allowed her class to name a teddybear, they chose the name "Mohammed" (or variations of). Now she is facing prison or lashes. How is that, in any way, fair, just and acceptable in this day and age?

I am not defending the ruling or the country - far from it. But what I have an issue with is people thinking this is an Islamic ruling when it is not, this is a Sudanese ruling.

 

[Gaygle]

You didn't mind the mods allowing your posts saying you support Iraqis and Afghans attacking British troops

He actually said that?

TBH the Iraqi insurgents aren't defending themselves, they are attacking the troops!

 

[@if ®afiq]

How can you discuss the story without "Having a go" at Islam. The whole story revolves around the idiocy surrounding the culture your religion has created.

Do you know of any precedent in Shari'ah Law for this? What has the response from leading Muslim's in the UK been?

 

[Shadez]

Please explain how hypocritical, repressed and stagnant it is. It would be good to have examples that we can analyse.

This is going off topic and this isnt really the place to discuss these things, its what SC is for.

Hatred towards minorites is generally only felt by he minority. Take for example the view by members on here that the words ******, ****, towel head are harmless - they may be for those that use them but not for those that they are used against.

Cant realy dissagree with that.

And have you read any quotes by leading UK Muslim's saying how stupid this ruling is? Probably not as that would go against the whole Muslims = Backwards thing.

Ive not said Muslims are backward, on the other had im happy to admit there are lots of forward thinking intelligent Muslims out there. Its the culture that has been created by your religion thats backwards.

And I would equally speak out about such a thread, regardless of which group of people it is aimed at.

Nice to know, but this just shows that its not Islam/Muslims that are the main point here its the stupidity of the whole situation.

 

[Shadez]

Do you know of any precedent in Shari'ah Law for this? What has the response from leading Muslim's in the UK been?

precedent for what? The response from the Muslim in this country is to be commended, but ultimately its the response from the Muslims in the country in question that matters.

 

[tomanders91]

I've a good mind to name my next dog Muhammad so I can walk it through the local Muslim area and shout "Muhammad, stop ******** on the bloody pavement!"

rofl

 

[Moley]

I am not defending the ruling or the country - far from it. But what I have an issue with is people thinking this is an Islamic ruling when it is not, this is a Sudanese ruling.

Think you might be a bit wrong there old chap, according to the CIA World Fact book, the Sudanese legal system is based on a combination of english common law (like most legal systems ECL provides the common framework) and Islamic Law.

Islamic Law prevails in the Northern regions including Khartoum and there are regional religous courts.

So its a Sudanese Islamic ruling I think.

 

[Random Guy]

@if-Rafiq, I would just ignore the posters who come on and talk smack about something which they only read about in the Daily Mail. If you argue with an idiot, than you are not much cleverer than the fool himself. Most posters here will have a very rudimentary knowledge about Islam, with zero exposure or awareness of the depth and breadth of the Muslim population worldwide. In my experience, the best way to handle blind hatred is by being far wiser and more patient, or just not registering it for the extent of its stupidity.

At the moment, Islamaphobia is the new racism around the UK, Europe and the US. It is a political tool, a means of diverting the populations attention, firing people up for illegal wars etc. Luckily, the racist buffoons are in a minority, although they are extremely vocal and are given free reign by the media. The media seeks to provoke a reaction and perpetuate shock stories all the time. Also, inflammatory posts here seek to provoke a reaction. They get a kick out of it. So as much as you or me want to kick the absolute **** out of someone like Diesel, there is little point in wasting your anger or intellect on it, because he clearly is not worth it.

You (and I) have stated very clearly that the whole issue of this teddy bear and how it has been handled by the Sudanese is completely against Islam. Any scholar can tell you that they are clearly wrong and have over-reacted in this case. Of course they are also in the middle of a land dispute with the owners of the school, so that could be a reason they are trying to screw around to this extent (i.e. the school will be termed anti-Islamic and closed so the authorities can take the land).

 

[@if ®afiq]

Nice to know, but this just shows that its not Islam/Muslims that are the main point here its the stupidity of the whole situation.

Agreed - there is a lot more at play:

Police said they received a complaint from Muslim parents but Khartoum's Bishop Ezekiel Kondo, chairman of the school council, said the school she was working at was caught up in a dispute with local authorities over council tax.

 

[@if ®afiq]

precedent for what? The response from the Muslim in this country is to be commended, but ultimately its the response from the Muslims in the country in question that matters.

The ruling by the court is being talked about as a ruling that is valid in Islam when, imo, it is not.

I think maybe we may be getting lost in Pedant Avenue

 

[@if ®afiq]

So its a Sudanese Islamic ruling I think.

Judge by actions, not words. Whether or not they say they implement Islamic Law is neither here nor there - what should be looked at is if their Law is actaully Islamic or not. Whether the rulings they make are those that would be allowed in Islam or not.

 

[Shadez]

@if-Rafiq, I would just ignore the posters who come on and talk smack about something which they only read about in the Daily Mail. If you argue with an idiot, than you are not much cleverer than the fool himself. Most posters here will have a very rudimentary knowledge about Islam, with zero exposure or awareness of the depth and breadth of the Muslim population worldwide. In my experience, the best way to handle blind hatred is by being far wiser and more patient, or just not registering it for the extent of its stupidity.

At the moment, Islamaphobia is the new racism around the UK, Europe and the US. It is a political tool, a means of diverting the populations attention, firing people up for illegal wars etc. Luckily, the racist buffoons are in a minority, although they are extremely vocal and are given free reign by the media. The media seeks to provoke a reaction and perpetuate shock stories all the time. Also, inflammatory posts here seek to provoke a reaction. They get a kick out of it. So as much as you or me want to kick the absolute **** out of someone like Diesel, there is little point in wasting your anger or intellect on it, because he clearly is not worth it.

Nicely put, and i agree with most of what you have just said.