US shoppers killed in gun rampage

I think people should have the right to bear arms and defend themselves, but it should be done responsibly with an extensive and thorough screening process before someone is allowed to even be considered for a gun license. It should then be mandatory to attend gun saftey lessons and tests before one aquires a gun (like with cars).

Also, I think high caliber rifles, automatic weapons and stupidly powerful hand "cannons" should be outlawed. I simply see no reason for any civilian to carry around weapons that are capable of blowing limbs off from half a mile away. :rolleyes:

The problem in the US is simply ridiculous and needs to be controlled.

BTW, I've always wondered, why doesn't anyone ever consider a bow and arrow as a weapon? I mean it's silent and pretty deadly and I'm pretty sure it is not illegal. :o
 
Also, I think high caliber rifles, automatic weapons and stupidly powerful hand "cannons" should be outlawed. I simply see no reason for any civilian to carry around weapons that are capable of blowing limbs off from half a mile away.
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There is no difference between owning a pistol and a rifle, and shooting paper targets is the same as shooting indoors in a rifle range. I haven't fired a fully auto or gatlin gun but I'm sure that's enjoyable too.

I've fired both pistols, and a rifle at Lancellin rifle range.
 
Actually there is a difference. Civilian weapons like most handguns are designed to incapacitate the target, where as most military grade weapons have bullets specifically designed to penerate and kill. If that's not the case, then it should be!
 
A 9mm bullet in the body and head will incapaciate the target too. Handguns are easier to transport and conceal. Also with a rifle you need greater skill, any moron can shoot someone from 10' away with a micro uzi.

Gang members don't carry .50 calibre long range sniper rifles.
 
Terrible tragedy, RIP to all involved.

19 years old? No doubt he'd been spending many hours playing shooter based computer games, watching violent DVD's etc etc.:rolleyes:

I shudder to think of ,for example, my girlfriends wayward 19 year old living in a country with the right to bear arms.....

Truly scary, but not surprising given its the states.*


* I have extended family in Houston, Texas, on one of their house front porches is a sign that says "Please leave your guns at the door" - just as we'd have a "Please wipe your feet" sign for example! :eek:

A totally different culture with often tragic results. :(
 
I was the recently in the US and took the opportunity to visit a gun firing range.

I handed over my passport and with no previous gun experience what-so-ever could choose any automatic rifle, hand guns etc etc then through to the shooting range to start firing :)

This Taurus Raging Bull was easily the best of the selection I used. The M-16 was too much of a spray and pray gun; I prefer accuracy over rapid firing.

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From my understanding this is common practice in the US but in the UK such a facility would be closed down with 30 seconds of opening.
 
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I visited relatives in Oregon last year and had the chance to play with my (Oregonian) uncle's guns. He told me that in Oregon, automatic weapons were illegal - I told him I was surprised because the impression we have here is that it's not possible to make any sort of gun illegal in America. He said "Oh - when we talk about illegal types of guns here we're talking about having to have a licence to own that type of gun." He explained he didn't have an automatic licence because it cost like £5k and took 3 years to get or something (he did have a licence to carry a concealed weapon though, because that's quite easy to get :eek: ).

You see the problem here? When they are talking about gun control over there they are not even considering a ban on anything - they are talking about getting pieces of paper before being able to own guns. Until that changes one feels that these killings will go on and on :(

Oh - my uncle had a friend who had an automatic firearms licence, so we went over to visit him one day so we could play with his automatic rifles. Fun fun fun!
 
"andy" said:
they will just find other ways to kill each other , bombs , knifes , bats
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Silly argument tbh! They already use these things to kill each other in America. However none are as easy, efficient as automatic guns!!
With your flawed logic we should allow any tom dick or harry have nuclear weapons, because 'they will just find other ways to kill each' :rolleyes:
 
i really cant imagine an absolute nutter not been able to get hold of an automatic weapon even if theyre banned

if someone is crazy enough to want to kill allot of people then nothings going to stop them.
 
JodieG said:
Exactly. If someone wants to kill people they will, whether by gun, knife, bomb or other it will happen.
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Well, yes... and no.

The problem with guns is using one is fairly brainless. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that guns are for stupid people, merely that they kill with very little thought input by the owner.

To kill someone with a knife, or more accurately several people, you would have to chase and confront them, overpower them, then stab them. All with close physical contact of the victim, as well as experiencing their torment with intimacy. To kill someone with a bomb, you would have to spend time making the intricate device.

A gun requires niether remote intelligence or physical strength. Its a simple case of aiming and firing. Thats it. Obviously this isn't an easy thing for a sane person to do, but it does make it an infinately more simple task for a demented individual to cause harm to others.

As such, the availibility of such weaponry makes it easier for more people to commit vile acts. Not saying that everyone can or will simply by owning one, but it makes acting to kill on impulse very easy. At the end of the day, this is something I feel none can deny.

Thus there is a problem, although at present I can not suggest anything to lessen it.

It's very sad that people were killed in this incident, rip and thinking of them and their families.
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Indeed.
 
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Concealed carry laws seem to be one way of dealing with the problem. It seems that when states introduce widespread concealed carry laws crimes against the person go down (though crimes against property go up).
 
RDM said:
Concealed carry laws seem to be one way of dealing with the problem. It seems that when states introduce widespread concealed carry laws crimes against the person go down (though crimes against property go up).
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What a horrid and vile place that would be too live!!
Not knowing if the person next too you has a gun hidden on him!!

Also this is the rubbish the Pro Gun lobby used after the vTech massacre, they blamed the fact the college didn't allow students to have guns in school!
How can you begin to reason with selfish idiots that have logic like that :rolleyes:
 
Helen said:
What a horrid and vile place that would be too live!!
Not knowing if the person next too you has a gun hidden on him
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So you're paranoid and highly emotional.

Helen said:
Also this is the rubbish the Pro Gun lobby used after the vTech massacre, they blamed the fact the college didn't allow students to have guns in school!
How can you begin to reason with selfish idiots that have logic like that :rolleyes:
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So it is selfish to want to defend yourself?
 
Richard_16v said:
For everyone saying about banning guns, just look how gun crime has plummeted since banning them in the UK :rolleyes:
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the vast majority of gun crime is committed with illegal guns. In particular converted replicas and smuggled weapons.

trafficking of illegal weapons has increased since the mid 90's after Dunblane
 
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Helen said:
What a horrid and vile place that would be too live!!
Not knowing if the person next too you has a gun hidden on him!!

Also this is the rubbish the Pro Gun lobby used after the vTech massacre, they blamed the fact the college didn't allow students to have guns in school!
How can you begin to reason with selfish idiots that have logic like that :rolleyes:
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The problem is though that the independant research shows that concealed carry laws actually work. How do you suggest solving the problem as criminals tend to ignore laws banning guns?

I am not pro-gun, I just did a bit of research into the subject.
 
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