Many people would back raising the alcohol age limit to 21

Just cut the foreplay and ban it, what purpose does it serve other than make people feel good and cause a lot of social problems in the process?

Ah, you want to impose prohibition, such as in the US in the 1920s? Yeah that worked really well :-/

If you banned alcohol, all it would do is make the criminal element of society a lot more wealthy.

Class A/B/C drugs are often a choice (ok there maybe exceptions), shall we legalise them?

Personally I'd say yes. Legalise and control them.
 
I didn't say this generation was different to the last one, what I said is that this one is stupid and that each generation will continue to be stupid until education and parenting improve.

And what the hell? I was born in the eighties, I turned twenty-two yesterday. :o

When people raise their kids properly then I will have no quarrel with lowering or even abolishing things like the age of consent or legal drinking age. Unfortunately I'm asking way too much here, it'll take a miracle to get rid of the idiocy, bad parenting and bad education in our culture.

lol... fair enough - you made yourself sound old imo :p

Ulfhedjinn said:
When people raise their kids properly then I will have no quarrel with lowering or even abolishing things like the age of consent or legal drinking age. Unfortunately I'm asking way too much here, it'll take a miracle to get rid of the idiocy, bad parenting and bad education in our culture.

It does depend on the person for sure.

Personally, I've never had a problem drinking too excess, maybe a couple of times I've had more than I should, but that's the only way you can find your limit.

I guess the biggest problems will be in the asbo-ridden chav community with their white lightening... can't we just exterminate them and then get back to civilisation? lol

But then saying that, the majority of the student community here in southampton - from what I've seen most are reasonably well behaved.

Then you do get the odd complete idiot, about two weeks ago I probably saved some girl's life. I decided to take the safety bus home instead of walking because it was cold & even though I was the closest stop, I was the last one to get off the bus. Anyway... the girl who had the stop before me, she'd thrown up in the back on the way there, she could barely even talk. She didn't even know where she was and was constantly asking people if it was her stop, even then she got off at the wrong one to begin with!

So, we get to her stop, she can't even open the side door of the minivan! So I have to get out and open it for her, she falls over in her own pile of puke on the way out of the van. She finally makes it out, and falls against the bus. This is when I see the taxi coming at us at full whack from a distance (must have been doing at least 50 in a 30 zone). So, the girl manages to pull herself up... makes it about a meter forward and falls against the bus again. Pulls herself up again, taxi is getting closer, but this time there's no van to fall against - only the middle of the road! Now she was too far away to catch fully, but I managed to get to her just in time and hold her back as she falls. Even with my input, the taxi missed her head by about 4 inches. The bloody taxi didn't even slow down! Completely ridiculous - both the girl and the taxi.

Anyway, manage to get her inside and get a flatmate and the warden to keep an eye on her. It was nuts, I almost saw someone get killed because they'd drunk too much.

The question I had, how was she even allowed to get to that kind of state? It's illegal for bar staff to serve a drunk person as my bar staff friends have pointed out to me & the fact that they can get fired if they do serve someone in that state. Maybe she had someone buying drinks for her... some friend! [/sarcasm]

So - yes you do get stories like that because of idiots and alcohol, but I think it's more of a minority that the problem is with and I don't think everyone should get penalised for a minority's behaviour.

If some idiot gets themself in a state, that's their choice and they should face the consequences. Myself and others should not be penalised for their decisions.
 
lol... fair enough - you made yourself sound old imo :p
I do that quite often! :(

If some idiot gets themself in a state, that's their choice and they should face the consequences. Myself and others should not be penalised for their decisions.
I can't think of a better way people will learn. Simply improving education would be too long-term a process, better to just bump the drinking age a little until changes in education can actually make a difference.

I hate to sound like some fascist dictator but I think it's getting to the point, in a lot of areas of society now, where people as a whole need to be sat in the corner for a while with their toys taken away.
 
Did I say that? I just said by 21 MOST people have matured to a reasonable degree. It could be that they hit that level at 19, 20, 21. Or it might be that they hit it at 22. Most people seem to be fairly mature at that age in my experience.

What else can you do other than specify an age? Run a maturity check on every single person then assign them a rating which depending on the value allows them to buy alcohol or not?

I just don't see why adults should be limited in their choices.

Plus, people only mature because of the experiences they've had. If they haven't have the chance to experience alcohol and its effects on them and their surroundings, no matter the age they won't have matured in that way.

It will just be like the USA with countless binge drinking 21 year olds.

The best way is the european way imo..
 
I do that quite often! :(

I can't think of a better way people will learn. Simply improving education would be too long-term a process, better to just bump the drinking age a little until changes in education can actually make a difference.

I hate to sound like some fascist dictator but I think it's getting to the point, in a lot of areas of society now, where people as a whole need to be sat in the corner for a while with their toys taken away.

I think this responce applies here too:

crowhorse said:
People only mature because of the experiences they've had. If they haven't have the chance to experience alcohol and its effects on them and their surroundings, no matter the age they won't have matured in that way.

It will just be like the USA with countless binge drinking 21 year olds.

The best way is the european way imo..
 
This is just like the Samurai sword thread.

I back making society more socially responsible, how come other cultures don't have this problem?

Yep and the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991

Totally agree with making society more repsonsible instead of making something illegal or raising the age limit for things like drinking.

I've been to Germany, Holland and Belgium as 14-16 year old to complete at International swimming competitions and the attitude of the English teenagers was "There no age limit for drinking WOHOO!! lets get plastered!!" While the other Europeans weren't bothered about drinking at all.
 
Yeah they're better educated and more sensible in general. ;)

It'll take a miracle to make people in this country that way.

Yeah - I guess the chavtastic pregnant 12 year olds would use this to make their children even more retarted.

By benefiting one side of society, you create problems for another.
 
I've been to Germany, Holland and Belgium as 14-16 year old to complete at International swimming competitions and the attitude of the English teenagers was "There no age limit for drinking WOHOO!! lets get plastered!!" While the other Europeans weren't bothered about drinking at all.

it's so true, i remember in year 10 the vast majority of my science class were going on a skiing holiday (somewhere in europe :p) and the main feature was the ability to be able to drink. legally (of couse, as mentioned above most had been drinking since 12-14, but being able to do it LEGALLY...wow :rolleyes:)
 
I've been to Germany, Holland and Belgium as 14-16 year old to complete at International swimming competitions and the attitude of the English teenagers was "There no age limit for drinking WOHOO!! lets get plastered!!" While the other Europeans weren't bothered about drinking at all.

Yeah - and it's the same with drugs.

My ex is dutch and we spent a bit of time with her brother in amsterdam.

The majority of the locals really couldn't be bothered with the cafes there and most simply hated the smell of the stuff. Most of the cafe clientel were foreigners.
 
I've been to Germany, Holland and Belgium as 14-16 year old to complete at International swimming competitions and the attitude of the English teenagers was "There no age limit for drinking WOHOO!! lets get plastered!!" While the other Europeans weren't bothered about drinking at all.
What years was this in?
 
Easier said than done, I'd love to hear your master plan. :p

Whats your master plan? Simply stop them being able to do it?

How many people between 18-21 are there in this country, and how many go out punching people in the street or burning cars because of alcohol?

Denying the age group of drinking because of some louts will cause far far more issues then it would solve, those yobs will still get drunk and/or still cause issue, but people who drink socially or at home no longer can.

This is a fascist solution to a problem caused by the system, can't think of any examples of similar things happening which will actually do a good.
 
Just heard this on the news. Let me guess, these 'people' are all over 21. :p

What a load of rubbish. Just because a few idiots dont know how to drink without ending up having a stomach pump, doesn't mean everyone of that age should be punished.

Its the same kind of stupid idea like lowering the drink driving limit. Most people are capable of having a pint, and are still able to drive home. Lowering the limit wont make any difference to somone who gets completely tanked up, then gets behind the wheel.


U try and buy a beer in the shops or pubs around here its 21's only

its a very good idea and yes am over 21 (25) but i rember being 17/18 and getting realy smashed ect and looking bad its not worth it
 
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