water cooling

NoobieOCer · 27 Dec 2007 at 22:51

:O intergrated water cooling! i always tought u had to buy a kit and put it into a case

anwayz i wondered in preformance wise how would this
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-044-TT&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=

compare to this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-014-SW&groupid=701&catid=193&subcat=
inside a antec 900 case

cuase i wanted to upgrade to water cooling later on ty

i will be using it to cool a oced q6600 and oced 8800gt and i think the chipset and nb+sb will be fine cooled by air..

tsinc80697 · 27 Dec 2007 at 22:53

Both wouldnt be as good as a custom setup you could buy for £150 and have the self satisfaction of puting together yourself

NoobieOCer · 27 Dec 2007 at 22:58

erm...... i really want preformance i dont wana feel good and do somthing stupid ,if i choose parts then i find i used wrong thing and it leaks and i find my computer going boom

but would i get better preformance as well as satisfaction choosing my own components to water cool my system?

or do u mean actually making my own waterblock and stuff when u said custom?

tsinc80697 · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:03

Not making your own water cooling components, but buying individual parts and not a pre-built system.

Its also quite hard to get your PC to go boom as the liquid you use is de-ionised so even if it goes on the motherboard etc it won't short out and explode

If you need help picking components then feel free to email me or MSN , I'm sure I can help you find a nice set of components to build a setup yourself!

kmufc77 · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:05

NoobieOCer said:
:O intergrated water cooling! i always tought u had to buy a kit and put it into a case anwayz i wondered in preformance wise how would this
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-044-TT&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=

compare to this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-014-SW&groupid=701&catid=193&subcat=
inside a antec 900 case

cuase i wanted to upgrade to water cooling later on ty

i will be using it to cool a oced q6600 and oced 8800gt and i think the chipset and nb+sb will be fine cooled by air..

hi ive just bought the swifttech kit and it was highly recommended by someone at overclockers when i spoke to them. i im going to be cooling a Q6600 and a GTX this week when i get round to it.
the thermaltake case you have listed looks nice but i have read very bad things about thermaltake water kits in not being very good perfomers.

NoobieOCer · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:05

tsinc80697 said:
Not making your own water cooling components, but buying individual parts and not a pre-built system.

Its also quite hard to get your PC to go boom as the liquid you use is de-ionised so even if it goes on the motherboard etc it won't short out and explode

If you need help picking components then feel free to email me or MSN , I'm sure I can help you find a nice set of components to build a setup yourself!

erm i would but i still cant figure out how to contact people, i cant find profolios or anything so whats ** msn?

NoobieOCer · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:09

kmufc77 said:
hi ive just bought the swifttech kit and it was highly recommended by someone at overclockers when i spoke to them. i im going to be cooling a Q6600 and a GTX this week when i get round to it.
the thermaltake case you have listed looks nice but i have read very bad things about thermaltake water kits in not being very good perfomers.

oo well that good to know

but now the guy above got me a little more intreasted into cutom sets

kmufc77 · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:16

a decent custom kit to cool a cpu and a video card will cost you more than the £150 swiftech kit i would think but i may be wrong.

NoobieOCer · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:18

kmufc77 said:
a decent custom kit to cool a cpu and a video card will cost you more than the £150 swiftech kit i would think but i may be wrong.

well i would like to see what set he posts up

tsinc80697 · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:29

CPU & GPU cooling cost me £220 , just CPU would have been £165

kmufc77 · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:38

tsinc80697 said:
CPU & GPU cooling cost me £220 , just CPU would have been £165

and your saying for £165 your custom kit is better than the swiftech which is £152? how

tsinc80697 · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:39

Read multiple reviews around the net, ask various people on these forums, I'm pretty certain they will all come back saying a custom setup will outperform a premade swiftech kit. Components such as an EK Supreme or Fuzion CPU block will be a better performer than that contained in the swiftech kit.

Thermochill rad's will outperform the swiftech one as well

V|per · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:45

Custom will perform better. Faster and quieter pumps, meaning more liquid moving around faster dissipating more heat.

Better rad's allowing for more heat to be dissipated...

Better blocks for heat transfer directly from the componant to the water...

All of these help for a cooler system, and that's why a custom kid (made of the right componants ofc...) will be better than a pre-made kit...

Currently ripping a case apart to fit 2 custom loops, was going really well untill my dremel slipped leaving a fantastic gauge in the loveley brushed black aluminium :mad:

kmufc77 · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:46

i read reviews and the swiftech rads are only slightly behind the thermalchill rads in perfomance. im not going to get in a full blown agrument on this as im no expert on watercooling. custom systems will also require more attention when setting up as you will not have instructions like a kit would have on how to completly setup each bit up. so im happy with the £152 i spent on the swiftech kit and ive read lots of reviews which highly rate it so im happy

tsinc80697 · 27 Dec 2007 at 23:57

Aslong as you are happy then there is no problem. When buying watercooling myself I wanted the best and I wanted to do it all myself. So I did

GUTTED Viper, I did it on my P182 on the back very slightly but it rubbed off !

V|per · 28 Dec 2007 at 00:02

tsinc80697 said:
GUTTED Viper, I did it on my P182 on the back very slightly but it rubbed off !

Mine most certainly wont rub off

I can put it right though, it'll just take a bit of modification, but the idea i have in mind should give the case a little something extra

tsinc80697 · 28 Dec 2007 at 00:03

V|per said:
Mine most certainly wont rub off

I can put it right though, it'll just take a bit of modification, but the idea i have in mind should give the case a little something extra

Quite off topic but what case are you putting 2 loops in ?

fornowagain · 28 Dec 2007 at 00:06

NoobieOCer said:
oo well that good to know but now the guy above got me a little more intreasted into cutom sets

You're better of learning a bit about radiator heat loads and noise/pressure/cfm from the fans. Then matching custom components to the application. The H20-220 kit has a MCR220 rad and 2x Delta WFB1212M fans. Anything much above stock, its going to struggle to maintain temps with a Q6600+GTX. Its also going to need the fans flat out and those aren't exactly know for silence.

Ideally you want the water delta (difference from air ambient) to stay under 10C (obviously thats not the same as the cpu/gpu core temps). 300W+ heat load on the MCR220 with the flow rate from two blocks won't be great tbh. Runs the risk its going to saturate and temps creep up to air cooling levels, negating its purpose. Better of with a MCR320 or PA120.3 with some Yate Loon or Scythe S-FLEX around the 45-60 CFM range.

0.035 x 300 = 10.5 i.e. greater than the 10c delta. 280w (10/0.035 @ 1.5GPM) is about the limit from these curves. The TDP of a GTX is 177w, estimate at least 140w from the core at stock. A G0 Q6600 at 3Ghz 1.35v is around the same and don't forget the pumps heat load. You can see it doesn't leave a lot for overclocking.

For reference final CPU case (not core) temperature.

Ambient + system load (inc pump) x radiator C/W + CPU Load x block C/W

Taken from Cathar's excellent thread. Free air flow for the Scythe S-Flex SFF21F is 63CFM.

Note that fans behave like pumps. In that they produce maximum flow rate in free air, no resistance and maximum static pressure with zero flow. Different fans behave differently against restrictive radiator cores, producing less CFM than quoted maximums. They also behave differently at low rpms when undervolted.

Hades · 28 Dec 2007 at 14:24

Custom will be better at the extreme end. But the Swiftech kit is very good for a beginner. everything is matched and it comes with instructions. I started with the Swiftech kit then over time changed components such as rad, blocks, etc. It ended up more expensive overall but at least it was a good introduction to water and I don't regret it.

When I was looking a year or so ago, the Swiftech kit was rated as the best kit around. So agreed it's not quite as good as a good custom setup but for a beginner I'd say it's perfect.

NoobieOCer · 28 Dec 2007 at 17:40

god dam... fornowagain that a lot of stuff to read 0.0 too much theorey i think i just keep it simple and say Thermochill better rads XD also commonsense faster flow rate, more liquid goes through waterblocks, more heat removed. and i added tsinc80697 so if i get stuck in installing it or picking parts i can send him a messege