why do we blank out the word god?

I wouldn't laugh at hard facts. That isn't what you have.

your loss.

It doesn't really. It can be extrapolated using dates and time periods given in the book you follow. If it isn't 6000 years it certainly isn't the billions scientists believe.

where in the bible does it say this? or give any dates in the old testement, regarded this?

Poetic? You were saying the bible wasn't metaphoric and that it was factual. Which is it?

you said that not me.


I'm sorry, which of your questions have I failed to answer?

how life began, and where the cosmos came from?
 
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It doesn't really. It can be extrapolated using dates and time periods given in the book you follow. If it isn't 6000 years it certainly isn't the billions scientists believe.
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technically though that makes no difference if the world was made even 600 years ago who's to say that things we consider prove it billions of years old, maybe they are mearly side effects of the process of creation.
 
yantorsen said:
I wouldn't laugh at hard facts. That isn't what you have.

your loss.
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Is it though? If you actually had anything you'd be world famous :)

yantorsen said:
where in the bible does it say this? or give any dates in the old testement, regarded this?
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I gave you a link earlier that worked it out.

yantorsen said:
you said that not me.
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That is correct, I did. And then you said perhaps it was poetic, I'm not even sure if you know what you mean by that, and then said it wasn't your place to question god. Of course it is!

yantorsen said:
how life began, and where the cosmos came from?
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I'm sorry, where did you ask me that? :/

I personally believe that it is fluke chance that brought life to this rock we call home. i subscribe to the flingbang theory.

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technically though that makes no difference if the world was made even 600 years ago who's to say that things we consider prove it billions of years old, maybe they are mearly side effects of the process of creation.
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True enough. The world could have been created yesterday and our recollections are nothing more than the whim of an overlord, but I don't believe that is the case.
 
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he was always there, nobody believes in a created God now.
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so why exactly did the cosmos need to be created, couldn't just be there?

Ninja edit there ;)

well i can't really explain that as even the basic explanations are several pages of complicated maths.
however i believe it has to do with matter and anti matter, other explanations include, that it was there from the collapse of a previous universe and one day ours will collapse too, (all though ours may be different type of universe to the one before and so will not collapse).

why did god suddenly after endless eternity decide to create humans?

why do religius people always pick at the point that non religious must explain the start of the universe whie (assuming the creation of god as the beginning) they can just say it's always been there.
 
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Gilly your missing the point totally, I am tired, so am going to sleep, but i will make sure i get back to you on this.

take care all :)
 
yantorsen said:
he was always there, nobody believes in a created God now.

so you say the cosmos was always there, but why did it suddenly decide to bang?
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the cosmos doesn't have intent. One theory suggests that mutliple dimensions crossing each caused the singularity to bang- string theory I think(if I even explained it right)
 
it didn't suddenly decide to do anything, the universe must exist his way, is a statment that is true whereever because you would be in that universe if u get my drift. and nothingness is incomprehensible to the human mind. on a quantum level the univers is "frothing" for lack of a better word, with exotic patricles that create/destroy almost silmutaionalys.

or you could consider M theory (i think thats the one) where for every choice be it how you respond to this comment or the random spin on an electron basicly anything that has an elemnt on unpredictveness (even the laws of physics were "made" at one point) creates a new universe.

think schodingers cat.

well anyway there are a near infinte amount of universes many where the laws of physics are diffrent, many where the univers imploded shortly after creation many where life doesnn't exist and many which are the same except you are a famous rockstar.
 
I'm sure it is, I just can't follow your English.

Can you sort your sig out please? Only 1 line of text allowed beneath an image.
 
"Is it though? If you actually had anything you'd be world famous :)"

No I wouldn't, I don't have what you'd call hard evidence, but to me, the experiences of atleast 15 people I personally know, that have no motive to lie, is hard evidence. If nothing else to the exsistance of a supernatural being.


"I gave you a link earlier that worked it out."

yes but clearly you lack experience with the Bible, because it's not like the bates are in plain black and white, it can easily be interpretted different ways.


"That is correct, I did. And then you said perhaps it was poetic, I'm not even sure if you know what you mean by that, and then said it wasn't your place to question god. Of course it is!"

Poetic = written to get a msg across but not exactly historically acurate.

and clearly to question God is fine, but to suggest you know better, is quite proposterous, God is a much more complex idea than this discussion and I don't think that the human mind can really fully understand the idea.



"I'm sorry, where did you ask me that? :/"

ok, my mistake, that may have been in another thread :)



"I personally believe that it is fluke chance that brought life to this rock we call home. i subscribe to the flingbang theory."

okay, and if you beleive that it requires faith, no? there certainly isn't much evidence for it.


"True enough. The world could have been created yesterday and our recollections are nothing more than the whim of an overlord, but I don't believe that is the case."

so you have faith in that too?
 
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Gilly's asumptions made within this thread as requested:


"Except God/god/gods don't exist, so it doesn't matter"

"the Bible is merely a collection of contradictory stories, so doing what it says is umpossible"

"I don't want to read scriptures, they're lies and deceit designed as a mass-control system"

"i was under the impression that the bible/christianity held the belief that the world was less than 10,000 years old"

"It can be seen from certain points that the bible contradicts what we have found through science as to the age of the Earth"


well there is a few, but I got bored half way through doing it.
 


"The Virgin Mary was a title given to a woman who bore a child, yes? From this we can reason that she conceived the child herself, yes? From this we can also reason that at some point around 9 months previous to the birth she copulated. The Virgin Mary may have been called the Virgin Mary, but either she didn't carry that child or she wasn't a virgin. Our species cannot conceive asexually."


that's because God controlls the rules of science, so that she didnt have to concieve sexually.

and how do you get from "The VIRGIN Mary" that she hadn't had sex? clearly she hadn't.


"Prove it."

Prove he doesn't.
 
yantorsen said:
You could say that about anyone, there's no reason to suggest he was though, so I think it unlikely beyond reasonable doubt.
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I believe that experimenting with hallucinogenic cocktails and licking bright coloured toads was common amongst druids, monks and tribal leaders back way before when. Perhaps for "journeys" of self enlightenment.
 
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