For or against corporal punishment in schools ?

Tombstone · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:06

camels5 said:
I don't have the answers! however I have run parenting classes helping parents to see how to be more involved with their children and alternative ways of disciplining children. I think that there should be more of these available our classes frequently had waiting lists.

Should be mandatory from the moment of pregnancy if you ask me. Too many baby factories in the country churning out kids for benefits and not giving a sweet FA about the kids after they're born.

Tefal · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:08

camels5 said:
Are you saying that I can't discipline my children? I don't need too, they have all been well behaved (well most of the time!)

was just commenting, on how you say

I don't have the answerers

Then immediately after say but I do teach it.

mrbios · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:09

heres one example of a kid who just cant be diciplined and just constantly continues to cause havoc:

my friend while i was at school has a younger brother who now goes here, they lived with there mum and dont know there dad, there mum died a few years ago and my mate has been taking care of his brother ever since

now at 20 years old my mate (i say mate, i dont really ever see him anymore) doesnt give a damn what his brother does, he wants to live his life not spend it playing daddy to someone that doesnt know the meaning of the word diciplin, when this kid does something letters are sent home, my mate has to come in to have a meeting with the head about his brother (ive seen him about 4 times in the past 6months becuase of this, and thats only the times i happen to wander past reception while hes there)

what is anyone meant to do to diciplin this kid? he doesnt have parents, his brother doesnt want to know, any diciplin the school dishes out he just brushs off and ignores then continues to disrupt classes etc

daz · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:10

National service would be a good idea implemented in the correct way.

dustiestrat · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:11

also there to many baby mothers i mean hows a 14yrold suppose to teach discapline to her own child when she clearly doesnt have any respect for herself or idea what discapline is .

Tefal · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:12

daz said:
National service would be a good idea implemented in the correct way.

Didn't seem to work in the olden days.

London was still a crime-ridden city... and illiteracy among the adult population was rampant.
But hey, they put them in the army so society was A-OK.

Deluxe1 · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:13

If you don`t reach a certain grade by the time you finish secondry school then you have to do 1 years national service,maybe that`ll get the kids of today to actually knuckle down and work in school.

daz · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:13

mrbios said:
heres one example of a kid who just cant be diciplined and just constantly continues to cause havoc:

my friend while i was at school has a younger brother who now goes here, they lived with there mum and dont know there dad, there mum died a few years ago and my mate has been taking care of his brother ever since

now at 20 years old my mate (i say mate, i dont really ever see him anymore) doesnt give a damn what his brother does, he wants to live his life not spend it playing daddy to someone that doesnt know the meaning of the word diciplin, when this kid does something letters are sent home, my mate has to come in to have a meeting with the head about his brother (ive seen him about 4 times in the past 6months becuase of this, and thats only the times i happen to wander past reception while hes there)

what is anyone meant to do to diciplin this kid? he doesnt have parents, his brother doesnt want to know, any diciplin the school dishes out he just brushs off and ignores then continues to disrupt classes etc

That's a really sad story. It's a shame that your friend has been given this burden to bear of being both parents to his brother. Ideally, you'd have extended family members helping out and doing their best to lend a hand in raising the child. It seems that today the role of the family and the extended family has diminished somewhat...

camels5 · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:13

I didn't say I taught, I said I ran classes which mean that I helped the other parents come up with answers to problems. you can't actually teach parenting most of the time we parent the way we were parented (not sure if thats a real word!)

daz · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:14

Tefal said:
Didn't seem to work in the olden days.

London was still a crime-ridden city... and illiteracy among the adult population was rampant.
But hey, they put them in the army so society was A-OK.

We only ever had peace time national service for 11 years. And that was 1949-1960.

mrbios · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:15

daz said:
That's a really sad story. It's a shame that your friend has been given this burden to bear of being both parents to his brother. Ideally, you'd have extended family members helping out and doing their best to lend a hand in raising the child. It seems that today the role of the family and the extended family has diminished somewhat...

indeed, and this is only one student i pulled out the air, theres plenty others with storys similar or worse i could tell you about

one kid comes into school drunk most days :/

Tefal · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:16

camels5 said:
you can't actually teach parenting most of the time we parent the way we were parented (not sure if thats a real word!)

then you should give parenting classes to children not adults.

and you spedn 6 hours a day 5 days a week for almost 12 years of your life in school, tats a massive amount of time and a place you will learn more about the world than home.

WotDa · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:22

Tefal said:
And a place you will learn more about the world than home.

I learnt most things like that by asking my parents questions, not in school.

Muffin` · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:22

daz said:
We only ever had peace time national service for 11 years. And that was 1949-1960.

Was it not ridden with abuse and bullying?

daz · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:26

[DW]Muffin;10843051 said:
Was it not ridden with abuse and bullying?

Honestly, I have no idea. I'm not saying it's the right answer (I can think of several things in my head that I would have to reconcile before I would endorse it) but I think that it could possibly in some form represent a small part of a solution to a wider problem in society.

Tombstone · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:27

Wonder if it was ridden with roaming teens who attack people, sometimes resulting in death on an almost daily basis (at least here, been a teen attack on someone locally every day for the last 11 days (apart from 2nd jan), (not including yesterday as havent checked the local news for yesterday yet)

Samione · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:27

It's a well known fact violence solves problems.

Indy500 · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:29

Don't know about here, but conscription\NS in Russia was stopped due to the bullying etc going on.

Samione · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:31

I'd like to see corporal punishment attempted at being administered to the some of the kids I went to secondary with. It wouldn't work, you're increasing a risk of child abuse in what would already be a very hard to police situation. It's not 50 years ago, you can't say that because something worked before it would work now. Attitudes have changed, times have changed, violent responses to a child's behaviour is not a step in the right direction. Atleast not in an academic environment.

Finchowned · 8 Jan 2008 at 14:31

For.

Plenty of people (including myself at times) who deserved a good hiding at school! School kids are so cocky now too; just the other day I got called an Emo by two kids *whimper*