DIC To Make Fresh Buy-Out Bid For Liverpool
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Wow, I know that Wenger likes to balence the books, but fair play to him. Those figures are far better than others. Though it does make me think that perhaps if he'd been happier with his wallet then we'd have a trophy or two more. 4 lost finals and (I think) 5 2nd place finishes in the league..
There aren't many lads who work on the Echo sports pages who are Everton fans. Even the Everton reporter is a Red.
Nice if it is true though
Yeah, he's not a full-time footy writer for them. He's been on the staff less than a year and gets to do coverage bits and pieces of everything. It might not have been something he covered personally either, might've been something he's heard in the office
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Sometimes in the past part of his weakness is he doesn't always freshen up the squad when needed. For example in 98/99 if he had bought another quality striker as needed we should have won the title & in 02/03 if he had bought some better defenders in to replace Adams and Dixon again I feel we should have won the title but both times he was too loyal with his players and they let him down.
Since around 2002 ish though he hasn't spent that much and much of it is down to the new stadium, we have had to make a lot of sacrifices to make it happen and our manager and board fought hard to make the dream a reality. Also Arsene is strong in his beliefs and will not get dragged into bidding contests or pay over the odds for a player. He is also very keen on buying players early in their football career so he can mould them and get them to play exactly how he wants. This way they work out cheaper and he gets exactly the type of player he wants.
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You missed the point again, in that period of time Benitez has had to rebuild a squad and bring in players to prop up the first time, Fergie has only had to brace the first team with £15m+ stars. Its a different ball game. Wenger has done very well, but he well known for being able to spot young talent, something which no one else has done, so its an anomaly really.
Pinch of salt
Well Jazz has managed to take this way off topic, now trying to get back on topic:
Something that's been mentioned in a few stories; even if the refinance goes ahead a lot of reports are saying that its just a matter of time before DIC buyout the yanks and it would only improve Hicks' bargaining power.
Something that's been mentioned in a few stories; even if the refinance goes ahead a lot of reports are saying that its just a matter of time before DIC buyout the yanks and it would only improve Hicks' bargaining power.
Well it is kind of relevant actually, I'm arguing for the Yanks to stay and that Rafa has had enough to spend If not maybe a mod can take the offending posts out and create a new thread? Maybe they could call it The official bash Liverpool thread 
I think some of you guys are thinking too highly of the DIC, they aren't in it for the emotions of football they are in it to make some dosh out of you. So they are gonna build your value up and flog you to the highest bidder in 5-10 years time. They will raise the money easier but they won't be a bottomless pit of cash like some might hope. Even though they are still making plenty out of their oil many Arabs have expanded out and are making very shrewd investments elsewhere and are making billions out of it, Liverpool are seen as a club where this potential because you have a good fanbase so if they get you a new stadium, extra revenue from there and they can get good money for you. Can't see them holding onto Liverpool in the long term and I'd be wary of that.
Has Fergie only had to add a few though?
VDS, Evra, Vidic, C.Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Carrick/Hargreaves are all in the first team for Man utd and have been purchased after Rafa arrive, d. They have lost key players like Roy Keane, Ole, Beckham and RvN during this time as well. A lot of players who made up their squad have left like Richardson, the Djemba twins, Carroll, Howard, Neville, Butt, Smith, Heinze, Fortune and Forlan. So obviously they have been replaced as well with more quality.
If not maybe a mod can take the offending posts out and create a new thread? Maybe they could call it The official bash Liverpool thread I think some of you guys are thinking too highly of the DIC, they aren't in it for the emotions of football they are in it to make some dosh out of you. So they are gonna build your value up and flog you to the highest bidder in 5-10 years time. They will raise the money easier but they won't be a bottomless pit of cash like some might hope. Even though they are still making plenty out of their oil many Arabs have expanded out and are making very shrewd investments elsewhere and are making billions out of it, Liverpool are seen as a club where this potential because you have a good fanbase so if they get you a new stadium, extra revenue from there and they can get good money for you. Can't see them holding onto Liverpool in the long term and I'd be wary of that.
Has Fergie only had to add a few though?
VDS, Evra, Vidic, C.Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Carrick/Hargreaves are all in the first team for Man utd and have been purchased after Rafa arrive, d. They have lost key players like Roy Keane, Ole, Beckham and RvN during this time as well. A lot of players who made up their squad have left like Richardson, the Djemba twins, Carroll, Howard, Neville, Butt, Smith, Heinze, Fortune and Forlan. So obviously they have been replaced as well with more quality.
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What exactly for though? Not showing enough faith with Rafa or is there something I'm missing? I don't think Rafa taking a few cheap shots about lack of money in the past has done him any favours either tbh.
I think your understanding of the Rafa - Hicks situation is the problem. Rafa wasn't demanding money or complaining about the lack of it. He was actually trying to sell players and sign a couple of bosmans but was told to leave it to Parry which Rafa wasn't happy with (and if you know anything about Parry then you'd understand why).
The problem Liverpool fans have with the Yanks and Hicks' in particular is the false promises. They said they would 100% support Benitez and even said they sign 'Snoogy Doogy' (whoever the **** that is) if Rafa wanted him and they have done anything but support Rafa. With the extra money from the CL run and the new TV deal we've in reality spent less that we've done in the last 4-5 years. Although they haven't directly lied regarding the debt, they chose there words very carefully with the intention of misleading fans. Then add to that Hicks' constant bs in the press and you've got a lot of unhappy people.
The problem Liverpool fans have with the Yanks and Hicks' in particular is the false promises. They said they would 100% support Benitez and even said they sign 'Snoogy Doogy' (whoever the **** that is) if Rafa wanted him and they have done anything but support Rafa. With the extra money from the CL run and the new TV deal we've in reality spent less that we've done in the last 4-5 years. Although they haven't directly lied regarding the debt, they chose there words very carefully with the intention of misleading fans. Then add to that Hicks' constant bs in the press and you've got a lot of unhappy people.
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DIC are meeting RBS officials today as a precursor to a formal bid of around £350 Million.
The Americans are going to sell up, it's just a matter of how much they can squeeze out of DIC.
The Americans are going to sell up, it's just a matter of how much they can squeeze out of DIC.
I cant see £350m getting Liverpool at all - much nearer £425-450m and they will probably get a deal
The yanks bought at £180m not including £40m of debt (this is what a daily is saying, but Im sure Baz will correct if wrong)
Being Texans they are supposedly very thick skinned so wont go without a fight. Also since then the bumper TV deal has come into effect as well as a huge new stadium, which I think everyone realises is necessary, all make it look like the americans wont take the first offer (although the stadium in itself requires a huge amount of funding)
I have no idea what they currently get in gate reciepts - but a new stadium can attract £1m+ per match day
Certainly seems to me like £350m will only be an opening bid
The yanks bought at £180m not including £40m of debt (this is what a daily is saying, but Im sure Baz will correct if wrong
) Being Texans they are supposedly very thick skinned so wont go without a fight. Also since then the bumper TV deal has come into effect as well as a huge new stadium, which I think everyone realises is necessary, all make it look like the americans wont take the first offer (although the stadium in itself requires a huge amount of funding)
I have no idea what they currently get in gate reciepts - but a new stadium can attract £1m+ per match day
Certainly seems to me like £350m will only be an opening bid
I see captain fantastic is getting involved...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7200492.stm
I'd be interested to hear what Liverpool fans think of this, Arsenal had massive media interest this year with the Usmanov buyout and it doesn't seem to have affected them on the pitch.
Seems to me like a desperate excuse to explain poor form and i really don't think he should be blaming anyone outside the dressing room.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7200492.stm
I'd be interested to hear what Liverpool fans think of this, Arsenal had massive media interest this year with the Usmanov buyout and it doesn't seem to have affected them on the pitch.
Seems to me like a desperate excuse to explain poor form and i really don't think he should be blaming anyone outside the dressing room.
Why are the Yanks getting so much stick off the fans?
They bought us a world class striker and Babs?
They are just protecting their business interests when Rafa could quite easily just run off to Real they need a back up plan.
I see most Liverpool fans just making a scapegoat of these guys to hide that fact that we are just an average league side and that has made itself lots of problems mainly due to the manager.
Rafa picks the teams not Gillet and Hicks !!!! "We were unlucky" does not cut it anymore Rafa.
DIC will probably just get their own man in anyway.
Is there anyone else out there who would like to buy Liverpool? After all for such a big club surely there must be others interested? I dont want DIC to buy us.
They bought us a world class striker and Babs?
They are just protecting their business interests when Rafa could quite easily just run off to Real they need a back up plan.
I see most Liverpool fans just making a scapegoat of these guys to hide that fact that we are just an average league side and that has made itself lots of problems mainly due to the manager.
Rafa picks the teams not Gillet and Hicks !!!! "We were unlucky" does not cut it anymore Rafa.
DIC will probably just get their own man in anyway.
Is there anyone else out there who would like to buy Liverpool? After all for such a big club surely there must be others interested? I dont want DIC to buy us.
Was a lot more than the red tops i think, the independent and times had it front page news a couple of times, it even got mentioned in the commons when Usmanovs lawyers shut down an anti-usmanov blog and took out Boris Johnsons blog with it, in the middle of a mayoral campaign
(not such a bad thing though).The Liverpool situation is slightly worse as there's all this Klinsmann talk but i can't see how the players should be affected. When the Glazers bought Man U and all the media hype around then they still managed to win the league in their first full season.
Just seems a poor excuse to me, if anything they should be playing harder for their manager but aside from the Marseille and Luton games they haven't really shown a consistent level of desire recently.
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How you can even try and compare the Arsenal/Usmanov situation with what's currently going on at Liverpool is beyond me. "Slightly worse"? Rightio....
You are right they are very unoriginal and annoying, funnily enough if you go the Liverpool forums they are saying the same. You will still find people saying it is their year, in the past you were going on about how the Americans were much better because there would be no debt against the club unlike those mancs and Arsenal, that DIC were bad because they were only in it for a quick profit and now yet again the fans and club seem to have open their legs out wide for some DIC? Rafa needs more money (he has spent hardly any) and Rafa is the best manager and he will lead you to league glory despite the fact he has proven nothing in the league. He has won more than Fergie in his first 3-4 years and won more than Wenger since he has been at Liverpool there Rafa > Wenger and Rafa > Fergie. Also remember man for man Liverpool probably have one of the best sides in the Top 4 as well.
Just go on to RAWK, the place is full of rubbish like this. Don't get too offended either mate
You do need money and Liverpool have spent plenty of it (only just behind Man utd since Rafa arrived IIRC) yet still don't look close to challenging.
If your going to try and be clever about things, at least look at the facts.
Rafa has had to replace player after player, when he first come he needed to bring in a lot of players to replace dead wood hence his spending may have been high but compare that to amount spend on 'player' for 'player'.
The only splash out he's done since arriving has been Torres during the summer united brought in 3-4 players for something stupid like £60,000,000, and didn't let anyone special leave.
Go look at what Liverpool spent / sold in the summer, don't look close to challenging? open your eyes you blind space monkey.
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It's perfectly fair to compare the attitude of the players when there is boardroom strife, when Usmanov was hitting the front pages the players came out and said 'we won't let it affect us on the pitch', and it didn't. When Man U had trouble the players set the tone and won games.
Yet Gerrard comes out and blames the poor team performance on the boardroom problems, it's a rubbish excuse to try and shift the blame off themselves.
Look at Luton, the players didn't get paid, the manager was leaving and they took it to a cup replay.