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you can be healthy and obese, the 2 are not directly linked.
Surely the health effects of being obese will prevent you being healthy by definition?
Burnsy
you can be healthy and obese, the 2 are not directly linked.
you can be healthy and obese, the 2 are not directly linked.
you can be healthy and obese, the 2 are not directly linked.
I've always wondered about that - a gastric band is removable, right? Or is it?
But stapling the stomach actually reduces it in size and suddenly the patients can barely eat a side-dish full of food. So what happens when they reach their target weight? Move on to lots of fatty horrible stuff so that they don't waste away? Or eat every hour of the day?
Another thing affecting the obese - which is what has been my problem but in my case it was triggered by PCOS - is insulin-resistance. It's not quite type II diabetes (but it's on the way there), but basically the body starts to ignore the insulin, which is responsible for helping the body convert carbs and sugars etc into energy rather than fat.
It's ignoring it because the fat-laden body is going "Help! Metabolise away all this excess fat! Let's make tons of insulin to push it through!", while another system is going "Whoah horsey, too much insulin, I can't take it, talk to the hand, I ain't listening!" so instead of sugar and carbs turning into energy, it turns more readily to fat. Of course this leads to weight gain and a lack of energy so you can see how it can spiral out of control.
Obese people have been put on the medication I'm on (metformin), and unsurprisingly studies have shown some benefit, but that a strict diet/exercise reform is better - "Ooh a pill to help weight loss? Nice, don't need to exercise then! Another slice of cake? Yes please!" What's most dramatic is when the diet, exercise and metformin are combined, which is of course what I've done (though am lucky, I've found active hobbies I love doing and I work it into my daily commute), and that works very well.
Though I have to admit, I'm more likely to have some ice cream of a choc bar nowadays... Tsk...
you can be healthy and obese, the 2 are not directly linked.
But stapling the stomach actually reduces it in size and suddenly the patients can barely eat a side-dish full of food. So what happens when they reach their target weight? Move on to lots of fatty horrible stuff so that they don't waste away? Or eat every hour of the day?
My partner is healthy, she walks plenty (including a huge hill to get home) and is on her feet all day, she is a veggie so eats plenty of greens and takes a few vit supps to cover things she doesnt get from her natural diet.
She walked 3 miles on treadmill last night (in a short time at a fast pace) and didnt break a sweat, where as i had started sweating after 4 minutes at the same pace.
you are at a higher risk of some things, but that does not make you unhealthy, it just makes you potentially more prone to things.
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What would class as unhealthy then? If you're obese you're in a state where you are at a higher risk to many life threatening illnesses- take away the obesity and that high risk goes. Ala, being obese is unhealthy.
no, actually having one of those would make you unhealthy, living your life as well (and in some cases easier) than people with less fat is a good thing.
she has not been ill in a long time, rarely catches colds or has need to goto the doctors.
the only thing is she is carrying a bit of excess fat (which does carry a risk i admit).
My partner is healthy, she walks plenty (including a huge hill to get home) and is on her feet all day, she is a veggie so eats plenty of greens and takes a few vit supps to cover things she doesnt get from her natural diet.
She walked 3 miles on treadmill last night (in a short time at a fast pace) and didnt break a sweat, where as i had started sweating after 4 minutes at the same pace.
you are at a higher risk of some things, but that does not make you unhealthy, it just makes you potentially more prone to things.